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forward to a particular incident or

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encounter call it what you will that I

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and it's something I've tried to follow

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on and off so I look forward to what's

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introducing them hello Gary are you

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there yes hello Kris are you I'm very

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well thank you thank you for air for

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joining us this evening to have a little

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you about a couple events that you've

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been interested in for those who don't

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know Gary is there Gary Jones age 36

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he's got several different interests

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from ancient history and civilizations

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conspiracies such as 9/11 77 JFK and so

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on he's interested in UFOs and alien

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documentaries so photography Gary what

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got you into the hour

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do you have a camera I recently

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yes I just I just like to take a camera

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with me and just snap a couple of

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interesting things where I live is quite

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it's quite quite nice a lot of scenery

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especially in spring or summer you know

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you see a lot of a lot of wildlife

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around so yeah I just I just do it more

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do as professional but I'm trying to

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learn more now about you know the

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different lenses you can get and various

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techniques you can use so I'm actually a

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professional photographer and I mainly

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concentrate on weddings were the best

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thing to do in my opinion it doesn't

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matter what camera body you get you buy

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the best lenses that you can afford with

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good f-stop numbers on them for a better

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type of image images basically did you

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have a particular interest in a

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particular type of of photography easy

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say excuse me so you're going to need

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blend of a very good long lens air you

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know something to wear to capture the

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air the wild life with someone like you

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can get really close with you know that

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photography as well Chris I mean I think

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think I think out of all of us I was the

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only one that had a 35 mil camera

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those days and before you say it

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white I thought they'd still be right

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still trying to figure that out I'd say

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I can get up on that no never mind

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anything else actually you'll get the

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end of it you go to eat seats well it's

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nice to eat gather saying eat text you

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know wow my photographs is to say me

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you go okay to come in want you back the

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first thing you see is a mountain but

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it's a slugging piece it's the old

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sluggy from the Prince of Wales collar a

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tough so plenty of wildlife there mate

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so just scream thinking about yourself

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thing Gary and what was it that actually

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brought you into this wonderful glorious

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world that we call the paranormal UFOs

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etc I understand um you had a couple of

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experiences yeah just some things that

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I've never really forgotten they're just

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I was five or six years old though gone

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to some detail if you'd like please do

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yamp sure I remember when I was

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about five maybe six just two dreams in

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particular that I had where it was kind

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of like seeing myself and amount of body

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experience if that's the only way I can

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explain it and they would just be like I

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there's this you know big tall slender

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look in being and you must have been

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very tall because the second-floor

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I just remember having like maybe two or

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three kinds of dreams like that I never

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come it's just like just kept wondering

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if maybe it was just a funny dream and

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but I see it more like a vision or some

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sort of strange meeting I can only

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describe it that way you know would you

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say it was something that was all you

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know the most difficult to dream or did

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memory of something you know well I

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think it's just a dream dream because

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remember it so clearly I finished some

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people refer to them as tall ones or

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maybe the tall whites or something I

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mean it looked something like that it

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was a very tall slender being with some

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muscular structure to it but very thin

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like in a sort of strange blackish

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already kind of glimmering suits that's

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the only way I get this appearance

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that's very interesting so I was just

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going to ask you know so this was the

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the thing that I actually brought you

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into the subject then well I would say

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is when they interested my interest sort

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of started I've always had an interest

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in it and I think what really brought me

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when I just started looking into 9/11

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and the cover-up going on there I just

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sort of branched out into later as I

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started becoming more involved in

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reading and more involved in study and

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more involved in research so they just

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I remembered my childhood experience

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there's I saw other people had gone

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through or what other people experienced

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I thought lying on that's something I'm

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interested mean they just started from

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yes our world was you then when these

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childhood events occur do you have any

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oh yeah I was about five or six so

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there'd be no real no real reference

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material no books read or anything any

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documentary scene or anything like that

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where quickly I cost yeah please

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this other one I remember which was even

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one let's just imagine him I was

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imagining it it was forming itself in

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them I can only call a dream vision or

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some sort of like interaction from

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something it just involved me walking

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down a very long street but I recognized

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but at the same time it was like the

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houses I recognized but then they had

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like golden trees on them the path was

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all silvery and white and the skies were

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very filled with stars that I didn't

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recognize

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I can only describe them like pictures

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you see from the Hubble Space Telescope

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you know it was nice and colorful

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galaxies or nebulae pictures that they

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take it was very very very serene but

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what was interesting is who I was

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walking with it was um two tall blond

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white silvery skin colored people and

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they wore these rather interesting blue

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or silvery like robes and I've heard

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people describe them as maybe the Nordic

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so yeah so I've heard some people say

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palladium I don't know but that's what

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they look like and yeah it was very

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serene and very calm and very peaceful

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but as you said correctly I mean at the

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time I had no reference material of

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anything to go on

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I didn't know anything about paul weitz

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or the reptilian or the grey or anything

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so I was about you know well into my

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teenagers you know the significance of

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it then but yeah that's the things like

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sort of I recognize maybe what planted

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the seeds to get me involved but I

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didn't really allow him to take fruition

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until about 12 years ago have you ever

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actually seen a UFO then yes I've seen a

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bar I've seen a couple actually but two

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that I'm very

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convinced our real was when I was about

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seven maybe going on eight because my

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birthday's in the summer and it was just

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after the school holiday so I would have

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been late seven years old there really

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just turn eight I was playing in the

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street with some of my friends and you

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know his kids do you play you laugh you

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joke it was just about the Sun had just

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gone down but one part of the sky was

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very still very lightly print but with

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the Sun just gone down like for about 45

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minutes then the other end of sky was

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all pitch black you know because the

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night's coming in it was in this

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direction that we know is something very

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strange and it was a series of very

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unusual lights and I only describe them

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as red yellow and orange but they

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blended into each other like meld it

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into the colors yeah and I remember the

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old your ad show with um what was it

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called Knight Rider and the cavea or the

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kit yeah funny red light going back and

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forth like that yeah the the light on

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the front of the bonnet of the car if

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you take that yellow and are in just

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well mess or put it more around a

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circular frame that's kind of how it

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looked because this this thing I saw was

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black disc shaped with those red white

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yellow and orange colors underneath and

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yeah it didn't make any sound it didn't

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look like a plane or a helicopter a

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balloon or a kite or any of the other

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usual things you'd expect to see

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especially from that time yeah as fast I

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sorted for about two or three minutes a

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few of us are all looking at it and I

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cannot really can look at it but as fast

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as you could like turn your head and

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look again it was gone I mean it didn't

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come over us it didn't go into the

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distance it didn't all left all right it

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was just like it's there that was gone

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it's like you just switched off its

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lights or something or poked maybe as

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some people would say yeah it's drawn

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any wings or anything like that on it I

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didn't see any wings I'm not just a desk

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very interesting absolutely sir very

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very what year would this be about what

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would roughly alright you know about

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1918 answer obviously that sound

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but I decide no 189 I would say more 89

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year nineteen eight year so there'd be

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nothing in the sky then no drones or

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anything like that and you know an

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aircraft usually have their wings on

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them directly yeah this is not nervous

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when a drone or or you know some taught

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someone's Toria floating in the air or

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hovering this was when you had planes

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and helicopters coming over us all the

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time and you know we know what they

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sound like this it's a constant constant

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thing of anything it's kids like to look

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at how the copters passing over all

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plates class and all the but I mean if

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this thing was a plane or a helicopter

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they would have to have hadn't found a

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way to hover rather silently without as

388
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no ascent yes but anyway now in our well

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somewhat brief introduction we mentioned

390
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9/11 what was it about 9/11 that

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attracted you to that actual event just

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the lies being told by Bush really I

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mean I couldn't understand how his

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country didn't know how to defend itself

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I mean that was the first thing I always

396
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imagined I couldn't understand how one

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of the most well the most powerful

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country in the world could be taken off

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guard so lightly that was the first

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thing they started looking into I mean

401
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and then you start to see that they

402
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never were going to investigate it and

403
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then the 9/11 Commission's stuff started

404
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and then all the questions started

405
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flooding in then you know why didn't

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they prepare why didn't they defend

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themselves how come the Pentagon was

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allowed to be hit when it was clear by

409
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the second impact at least that the

410
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perico was under attack on live

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television it just sort of spread from

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there yeah I will admit that you know I

413
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mean it well I really don't know a lot

414
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about the 9/11 incident myself obviously

415
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I've seen so many the information that

416
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is going around on YouTube with aircraft

417
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wings being in places that shouldn't be

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in front of the buildings where you know

419
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when the aircraft was at the back and

420
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all this kind of stuff but you know it

421
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is that something I've really really

422
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looked into in great depth to be quite

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honest so he's still convinced that it

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was a poor job oh definitely I mean all

425
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the evidence that I've seen and people

426
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who won't spoken to personally we've

427
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been doing really good research on I'll

428
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give you two examples

429
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I probably if you probably know this one

430
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it's a dr. Julie woods where did the

431
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towers go you can see that you know

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whatever happened in whatever's

433
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happening to those towers they're

434
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turning into dust in midair I mean

435
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you've got huge chunks of Steel huge

436
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chunks of Steel just falling through the

437
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air not even hitting the floor

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they're just turned to powder in Madeira

439
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just breaking apart some by Handsome it

440
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seems then you know there's no mechanism

441
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that we know of we know of naught but

442
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not the time you know no kind of jet

443
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fuel or explosion or anything is going

444
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to do that so if you want to check out

445
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that particular work I would recommend

446
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everyone do so and there's a recent

447
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documentary that's you know for a couple

448
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of months now actually I believe it's

449
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called 9/11 full alchemy yeah this one

450
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is by Wolf Clan media I think the owner

451
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of that is Chris Hampton and it

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predominantly stars a person called Mark

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Conlan yeah of those two along with

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other researchers have been putting

455
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together probably the best evidence that

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shows that whatever hit those buildings

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whatever it was builders were not real

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physical planes you know I know some

459
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people may laugh at that but

460
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unfortunately the evidence doesn't fit

461
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for a real imp live impact it's more

462
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like some other exotic technology that

463
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they use to convince people that it was

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but all I can say is just people go look

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at it but I mean if a plane is hitting

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that building real physical plane it's

467
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gonna smash against the side and fall

468
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down onto the street only trouble for

469
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everyone

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not what we see it just goes right in

471
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you know the laws of physics are totally

472
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violated here and all the other things

473
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that people have since figured out the

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impossible speeds for instance yeah so

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along with without then I mean we

476
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mentioned an ancient alien air theory

477
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smaller let's say it's an alien

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phenomena ancient yeah UFOs if you want

479
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to put it that way

480
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in our introduction you know so what

481
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what do you believe the earth has been

482
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visited in the past I'm definitely more

483
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Massiah saying that the earth has been

484
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visited in the past yes I think a lot of

485
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the ancient traditions and civilizations

486
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talk about visitors in strange vehicles

487
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shall we say coming

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coming to their lands and teaching them

489
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all kinds of things like civilization

490
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for instance yeah

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taught them how to build and how to

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construct it seems like I mean you can

493
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just I mean look at in the Bible in the

494
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in the Genesis passages this one that

495
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I've always liked the car number the

496
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name of it but it's like it says that

497
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let us go down and create man in our own

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image after our likeness I mean well the

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fast in Genesis to start a creation of

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everything what does it mean by let us

501
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go down and create man in our own image

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it means that someone something is

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already here and they somehow have

504
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changed it change this you will list

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this life form it's what they look like

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to be able to live amongst them so yeah

507
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but I do think I do think we have been

508
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visited in the past I'm even willing to

509
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say that some some civilizations which

510
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may have existed prior Ice Age did

511
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actually find a way to communicate long

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distance or even became space bearing

513
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themselves and that's maybe part of the

514
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reason why we find very little remains

515
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of them on the earth yeah because I mean

516
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you know you look at the you look at

517
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some of the amazing structures around

518
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the world especially the pyramids I mean

519
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no one knows how they were built I mean

520
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there's been endless discussions on that

521
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but I've yet to be convinced by anyone

522
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that says you can do it with ropes and

523
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logs and stone tools and everything else

524
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but yeah you know I mean it's it's an

525
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ongoing debate and you can talk about it

526
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for hours on end but for me it's just

527
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you know there is a lot of evidence that

528
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shows advanced civilizations even before

529
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the Ice Age if you fail to follow the

530
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work of Graham Hancock or rather prevail

531
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or John Anthony West or people along

532
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them lines absolutely no I I don't know

533
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if you know where but I met von Daniken

534
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a number of years back in Vienna the

535
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fascinating man I mean I remember

536
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reading you know Chariots of the Gods

537
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and that had a big influence on myself I

538
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think what the ancient astronaut theory

539
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as it's more commonly known and

540
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certainly Chariots of the Gods sort of

541
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implies these that don't accept

542
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everything at face value and looking to

543
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it and and and question it and come to

544
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your own conclusions if you know and

545
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that's that's what I got when I spoke I

546
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:31,990
had dinner with with von daniken a

547
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:35,530
conferencing in in Vienna and and that

548
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,650
was easy sort of advice to me was you

549
00:23:43,470 --> 00:23:40,480
know gone look at the the evidence and

550
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:43,480
make up your own mind I mean I was

551
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:44,890
listening to Gary mention there about

552
00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:47,370
the pyramids my wife and I we went to

553
00:23:55,650 --> 00:23:51,190
Egypt in 2010 and we visited the

554
00:23:57,630 --> 00:23:55,660
pyramids they are a fascinating

555
00:23:59,700 --> 00:23:57,640
structure whichever way you want to look

556
00:24:01,710 --> 00:23:59,710
at it just as a bit of a laugh we had a

557
00:24:04,290 --> 00:24:01,720
guide going around the pyramids yvn and

558
00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:04,300
I told him I thought that the Sphinx and

559
00:24:07,770 --> 00:24:06,190
the purlins was built by aliens and he

560
00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:07,780
didn't know where look I don't believe

561
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:11,950
that that you know he had no answer to

562
00:24:15,210 --> 00:24:13,570
that I talk we should have seen the look

563
00:24:17,010 --> 00:24:15,220
on his face I don't think anybody had

564
00:24:20,010 --> 00:24:17,020
ever said that to it all the time he'd

565
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:20,020
been doing that but he's like to be

566
00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:22,590
controversial filled earlier well

567
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:24,760
there's another thing there's queen

568
00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:27,370
hatshepsut probably um pronounce that

569
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:29,860
correct well all the ferals

570
00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:33,330
were male and she was the only female

571
00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:37,000
pharaoh and she wore the false beard and

572
00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:39,400
she used to strap down her her breasts

573
00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:42,580
to keep them flat and the way she said

574
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:45,720
to me do you know how she you know

575
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:47,770
convinced them that she you know she

576
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:49,390
could be pharaoh I said what you know

577
00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:52,960
and no no I made I made some bad comment

578
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:54,700
and then any in ill it fell over but

579
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:57,010
it's cuz she convinced the powers that

580
00:25:01,260 --> 00:24:58,840
be at that time that she'd been a man in

581
00:25:02,910 --> 00:25:01,270
a previous egg the previous life so

582
00:25:05,550 --> 00:25:02,920
there then I'll have allowed her to be

583
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,560
Pharaoh but it is fast I don't have you

584
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:08,080
ever been to the pyramids Gary no it's

585
00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:09,970
definitely something I'd want to do I

586
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:14,200
mean I've watched John Arnie West give

587
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:16,270
tours on this and fortunately he's no

588
00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:18,250
longer with us but I would love to have

589
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:21,550
taken a tour with him yeah one of the

590
00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:24,010
intriguing things that above all is is

591
00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:27,430
the is dis Fink's because the Sphinx is

592
00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:29,560
carved out of the bedrock you know it's

593
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:32,350
not assembled from elsewhere no in in

594
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:35,410
the Sphinx enclosure you see weathering

595
00:25:39,150 --> 00:25:36,610
on the size of it

596
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:39,160
yeah I've seen yeah that whether he's

597
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:42,130
caused by water but there hasn't been

598
00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:45,220
those sufficient quantities of water in

599
00:25:50,550 --> 00:25:48,790
that region somewhere around about ten

600
00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:50,560
and a half twelve and a half thousand

601
00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:55,060
years BC yeah so that's long before the

602
00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:57,160
Sphinx was supposedly built and

603
00:26:02,240 --> 00:25:59,290
certainly long before the pyramids was

604
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:02,250
possibly built what what intrigues me

605
00:26:06,450 --> 00:26:04,150
more than anything

606
00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:06,460
Gary about the pyramids when you go

607
00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:08,140
inside we didn't go inside we were

608
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:10,870
advised not to it's pretty it's pretty

609
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:15,130
boring to be honest yeah there's no no

610
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:18,640
decoration I mean you know but if you go

611
00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:20,890
to the value of Kings for example which

612
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:23,260
we did and you go into one of the tombs

613
00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:26,170
there they are all fabulously decorated

614
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,780
you know so here you have the biggest

615
00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:30,640
structure ever built on earth okay

616
00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:32,590
I think the pyramid was still the

617
00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:34,600
tallest structure aisle until something

618
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:36,040
like the Eiffel Tower was built or

619
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:39,040
something like that yeah and I think it

620
00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:40,480
may still have the record of being the

621
00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:44,670
heaviest building in the world but yeah

622
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:47,230
there is no paint engineer there's no

623
00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:51,220
decorations you know and it just puzzles

624
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:53,230
me why that is it supposed to be the

625
00:26:57,090 --> 00:26:55,450
world I don't know that used to add you

626
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,100
of hoops to meters as well don't they

627
00:27:01,020 --> 00:26:59,200
that's the thing is it I mean they go to

628
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:01,030
all this trouble to build it for

629
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:03,070
supposedly a guy who was a megalomaniac

630
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,170
who wanted his name remember for all

631
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,840
time here's a structure that's lasted

632
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:10,480
you know for thousands of years and

633
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:12,490
there's no inscription on the front door

634
00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:13,990
I mean you can find it somewhere at the

635
00:27:18,990 --> 00:27:16,300
top of the pyramid oh the Great Pyramid

636
00:27:20,910 --> 00:27:19,000
of Khufu but it's hidden in the corner

637
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,920
somewhere that's well it's a it's fallen

638
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:23,440
air-cool if there yeah I'm the only the

639
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:25,750
only statue and it's not even a statue

640
00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:30,330
of Khufu the Pharaoh is is a small

641
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,400
statue were about six inches high height

642
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:36,640
in the museum you know all the pharaohs

643
00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:38,350
were known you know once they took over

644
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,120
from the last guy was get rid of them

645
00:27:43,379 --> 00:27:42,640
and we'll have my own statues but it

646
00:27:46,859 --> 00:27:43,389
isn't

647
00:27:49,409 --> 00:27:46,869
tree in building I mean they still argue

648
00:27:51,149 --> 00:27:49,419
about if it was built by man whether the

649
00:27:54,349 --> 00:27:51,159
year was one long ramp or was it

650
00:27:58,109 --> 00:27:54,359
something that went around the sides I

651
00:28:00,509 --> 00:27:58,119
don't believe at all but the point is

652
00:28:02,909 --> 00:28:00,519
Gary they don't know no they don't you

653
00:28:06,899 --> 00:28:02,919
know the best archeologists in the world

654
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:06,909
cannot say definitively this is how the

655
00:28:11,219 --> 00:28:08,950
pyramids were built you know they went

656
00:28:13,499 --> 00:28:11,229
from A to B to C to finish you know they

657
00:28:15,629 --> 00:28:13,509
can't do that and it is a mind-boggling

658
00:28:18,899 --> 00:28:15,639
structure when you see it and of course

659
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,909
when you see it today it's it's right on

660
00:28:23,489 --> 00:28:21,039
the edge of gigs of the town of geek

661
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:23,499
well Giza is just part of Cairo of

662
00:28:28,139 --> 00:28:25,809
course you know it's very peculiar when

663
00:28:29,549 --> 00:28:28,149
you drive in past these buildings and

664
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:29,559
you look through the gaps in between

665
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:33,190
them you can see the pyramids because

666
00:28:38,489 --> 00:28:36,129
all the shows on TV usually tend to get

667
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:38,499
away from that and just show you the

668
00:28:42,899 --> 00:28:40,329
pyramids and beyond and if could be up

669
00:28:45,629 --> 00:28:42,909
of course beyond is the desert but see

670
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:45,639
you're only a short walk from modern day

671
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:48,849
society now but you ever get the chance

672
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,690
golly I would certainly certainly take

673
00:28:57,779 --> 00:28:54,399
it be careful it's still a bit dangerous

674
00:29:01,529 --> 00:28:57,789
there I believe but yeah fascinating

675
00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:01,539
stuff that's yeah well I'm just I'm just

676
00:29:05,569 --> 00:29:02,709
gonna say when you're on about the

677
00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:05,579
Sphinx just to get it out there quick is

678
00:29:09,659 --> 00:29:08,440
Robert Bauval I just finished reading

679
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:09,669
this but I finished reading spoke a

680
00:29:14,069 --> 00:29:12,190
couple of months back it was a very

681
00:29:16,169 --> 00:29:14,079
interesting read of the mysteries of

682
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:16,179
Orion I think it was called mm-hmm

683
00:29:21,149 --> 00:29:17,529
alignment of the stars and everything

684
00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:21,159
and he looks when the constellation Leo

685
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:24,700
rose with the Sun in the east you know

686
00:29:29,609 --> 00:29:27,700
with the Sphinx disgracing and he falls

687
00:29:32,099 --> 00:29:29,619
a fine line back in it back you know the

688
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:32,109
time line you mentioned 10 or 12,000 BC

689
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:34,679
mm-hmm I was the time when you know the

690
00:29:39,569 --> 00:29:37,450
the constellation Leo rose in the east

691
00:29:42,209 --> 00:29:39,579
for the Sun no on the Solstice I believe

692
00:29:43,709 --> 00:29:42,219
the summer solstice and but the

693
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:43,719
interesting thing is you can go back

694
00:29:49,109 --> 00:29:46,570
from the you know being like what you

695
00:29:52,919 --> 00:29:49,119
call it no session of the equinoxes huh

696
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:52,929
yeah yep yeah so that would 26,000 years

697
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:56,169
I imagine yeah so that brings you back

698
00:30:01,320 --> 00:29:58,140
to

699
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:01,330
12,000 plus 26,000 dissect 36-38

700
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:03,610
thousand years ago that possibly could

701
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,890
have been when the Sphinx was around and

702
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:07,360
they I'd like listening to people like

703
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:09,130
John on the West talk about that I mean

704
00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:11,410
his videos are still there and to me

705
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:14,140
that seems to be I wouldn't I mean it's

706
00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:16,690
a it's a very far far reached idea but

707
00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:18,790
I'm more willing to listen to that then

708
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:20,500
you know these buildings been only like

709
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:22,410
four thousand five thousand years old

710
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:25,990
yeah I mean John John Anthony West and

711
00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:27,730
others you know we're not the

712
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:30,100
traditional archaeology Sutter sorry

713
00:30:35,789 --> 00:30:32,890
they're the Mavericks I mean the same

714
00:30:37,289 --> 00:30:35,799
happened in paleontology I remember a

715
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:37,299
chap I can't remember his name but it

716
00:30:42,419 --> 00:30:39,610
was a big guy with a big beard I mean he

717
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:42,429
was an amateur dinosaur hunter he'd know

718
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:44,890
you know training you know we didn't go

719
00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:47,919
to university to study it and I he was

720
00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:50,500
talking or many many years ago about the

721
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:54,070
dinosaurs been related to to to birds

722
00:31:00,000 --> 00:30:56,950
and they and their luck you know they

723
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:00,010
left him and of course then they found a

724
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,750
fossil called I think it's called a key

725
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:03,760
op tricks which is basically a small

726
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:05,890
dinosaur guess what he had on it

727
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:09,790
feathers you know not feathers in the

728
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:11,590
conventional songs that we recognize

729
00:31:17,159 --> 00:31:14,580
them but they are related and of course

730
00:31:18,770 --> 00:31:17,169
it's the same with astronomy a lot of

731
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:18,780
the early astronomy was all done by

732
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:23,919
amateurs you know and have you ever been

733
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:26,290
to the pyramids Chris you ever been out

734
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:28,840
now I've not know up the furthest I have

735
00:31:32,909 --> 00:31:30,940
gone anywhere is Spain or the Canary

736
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:32,919
Islands to be quite honest and there

737
00:31:34,919 --> 00:31:34,570
parts of Germany but that's about it

738
00:31:37,289 --> 00:31:34,929
really

739
00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:37,299
I mean it is a mind-boggling sigh I've

740
00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:39,429
got a couple of photographs I took when

741
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:42,340
we were there above my fireplace and you

742
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:44,020
know and it is a mind-boggling sight

743
00:31:50,970 --> 00:31:47,890
even today it really is but I mean I

744
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:50,980
have a friend who lives down south he's

745
00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:54,760
he's very skeptical of the the UFO type

746
00:31:57,900 --> 00:31:56,020
of things but he's extremely

747
00:32:01,080 --> 00:31:57,910
knowledgeable about it is a TV producer

748
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:01,090
so he's not skeptics and just dismiss it

749
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:03,250
II just know a lot about the subjects

750
00:32:09,899 --> 00:32:07,360
however it doesn't rule out the ancient

751
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:09,909
astronauts I found that quite intriguing

752
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:10,730
you

753
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:13,490
no and I think it's just one of those

754
00:32:18,910 --> 00:32:15,530
subjects that once you get into it is

755
00:32:21,850 --> 00:32:18,920
endless and fascinating and I was very

756
00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:21,860
pleased and honored to meet von Daniken

757
00:32:26,740 --> 00:32:24,980
and who knows maybe meet him again one

758
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:26,750
day maybe haven't the outer limits

759
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:28,310
conference one day Chris you never know

760
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:32,960
maybe so if I get rich yeah we can I can

761
00:32:36,970 --> 00:32:34,910
I just ask one other thing I think on

762
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:36,980
the information that Chris sent me here

763
00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:40,610
you were interested in the the Kennedy

764
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:46,220
assassination as well yeah the 9/11

765
00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:48,740
stuff because I realized there was some

766
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:50,630
very interesting coincide coincidences

767
00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:53,510
with the 9/11 Commission the Warren

768
00:32:58,510 --> 00:32:55,670
Commission and just how they seem to

769
00:33:00,670 --> 00:32:58,520
accept the media's narrative and what

770
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:00,680
was being said pretty much on the same

771
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:02,930
day when really no investigations took

772
00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:04,490
place the media just put the story out

773
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:06,740
matter what they went with Bobby would

774
00:33:11,410 --> 00:33:08,450
Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin

775
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:11,420
and bin Laden was the man for 9/11 and

776
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,350
that was basically it

777
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:14,240
all evidence was found to support those

778
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,310
conclusions rather than looking at the

779
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:18,320
evidence and then let it tell you what

780
00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:21,050
actually happened yeah I mean again it's

781
00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:23,630
an area I've looked into a niche it's

782
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:24,920
another it's an area that still

783
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:29,120
continues to fascinate me if I just want

784
00:33:35,890 --> 00:33:31,870
to say you know a lot of people focus on

785
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:35,900
who the shooters were you know who may

786
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:37,490
have benefited and you know those are

787
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:39,890
all fascinating subjects but I mean if

788
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:42,170
anybody's never looked into it the only

789
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:43,730
things you need to look at is the

790
00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:45,770
position our view Lee Harvey Oswald was

791
00:33:50,170 --> 00:33:48,380
in what actually happened to Kennedy and

792
00:33:53,050 --> 00:33:50,180
Connally in the vehicle they were

793
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:53,060
traveling then you can study the support

794
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,770
of firm you can see quickly like miles

795
00:34:00,090 --> 00:33:57,440
head kennedy said on that final headshot

796
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:00,100
it just finally shoots him back I mean

797
00:34:05,470 --> 00:34:02,810
I've never seen anyone explained to me

798
00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:05,480
how a person shot from behind from a

799
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:08,150
right-to-left trajectory and Tommy's

800
00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:10,460
head fly back like that yeah there's

801
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:12,740
such a violent impact I mean it's i mean

802
00:34:17,380 --> 00:34:15,110
i i've heard some silly explanations but

803
00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:17,390
I've never seen anyone demonstrate them

804
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:20,300
effectively or even offer proper

805
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:23,090
scientific what's the word definition

806
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,320
for you know this is a clack

807
00:34:28,990 --> 00:34:26,720
how it works yeah what is quite

808
00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:29,000
interesting there is in some of the film

809
00:34:35,230 --> 00:34:32,300
footage of the event and you can

810
00:34:38,890 --> 00:34:35,240
actually see his head swing back as you

811
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:38,900
say but you also see em I've got the

812
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:40,870
name of his wife now with a Jackie

813
00:34:44,170 --> 00:34:43,730
Kennedy Jacqueline Kennedy whatever her

814
00:34:46,090 --> 00:34:44,180
name was

815
00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:46,100
she actually jumps out the back of the

816
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,680
car that the travel again and clamps

817
00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:51,200
onto the boot area of the car to pick

818
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:53,750
his head the rear of his skull up you

819
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:55,610
know I'm gonna try and pretend I think

820
00:35:01,810 --> 00:34:57,890
she was trying to do so clearly it was

821
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:01,820
shot from the front yeah yeah yeah it's

822
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:05,690
a fascinating you know if you ever want

823
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:08,960
to pick a conspiracy theory to get your

824
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:11,420
teeth in telling the JFK one is there I

825
00:35:16,270 --> 00:35:13,370
mean again I met one of the most

826
00:35:19,570 --> 00:35:16,280
prolific writers and researchers well I

827
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:19,580
think was the late Jim Marrs Jim's mark

828
00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:24,590
Mars book crossfire was used by Oliver

829
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:28,280
Stone as part of the JFK movie I met him

830
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,380
out in in Laughlin at the conference

831
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:32,240
there and it was it was a terrific fella

832
00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:34,310
it really was I mean he could tell

833
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:37,160
because you could just sit back you know

834
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:38,690
get yourself a drink sit back and ask

835
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:40,940
him a question and the ABA's would just

836
00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:43,430
go by you know he had yes but it wasn't

837
00:35:48,430 --> 00:35:45,740
pardon he just knew so much

838
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:48,440
and he'd been there he'd spoken to the

839
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:51,950
people you know he it was it was a again

840
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:52,730
it was a deliah

841
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:54,770
to get the chance to speak to him in

842
00:36:00,400 --> 00:35:56,750
person because I'd read his book prior

843
00:36:02,890 --> 00:36:00,410
prior to meeting him and of course Jim

844
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:02,900
was also uh you know a fan and a

845
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:05,990
believer of the the the UFO phenomena as

846
00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:10,940
well but it is a an ongoing interest of

847
00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:14,590
mine gallery that's why I asked you

848
00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:19,940
it's I have a few books here and I have

849
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,760
a few more on my list I think but yeah

850
00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:24,640
fascinating stuff

851
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:30,080
yes definitely so I do nerve from some

852
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:31,370
of the information that you've sent a

853
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,260
scary that you've you know you've had an

854
00:36:37,479 --> 00:36:35,119
interest in the moon landings

855
00:36:39,099 --> 00:36:37,489
and what if the NASA and the military go

856
00:36:41,469 --> 00:36:39,109
and government in fact you know the

857
00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:41,479
American government no doubt he's hiding

858
00:36:46,859 --> 00:36:43,640
in terms of the UFO and alien phenomena

859
00:36:48,099 --> 00:36:46,869
what's your opinion of the moon landings

860
00:36:51,489 --> 00:36:48,109
hmm

861
00:36:55,479 --> 00:36:51,499
well I mean you know a lot of people

862
00:36:57,309 --> 00:36:55,489
like to discuss the idea whether or not

863
00:36:59,499 --> 00:36:57,319
we went with the technology they said

864
00:37:01,450 --> 00:36:59,509
they had the lunar module and the

865
00:37:05,289 --> 00:37:01,460
computers on the Saturn 5 rocket and

866
00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:05,299
everything else I'm not convinced they

867
00:37:08,650 --> 00:37:06,799
did it that way I think they were going

868
00:37:11,469 --> 00:37:08,660
to the moon anyway in some of the

869
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:11,479
capacity because I think they may have

870
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:13,249
had a lot of secret technologies from as

871
00:37:16,259 --> 00:37:14,690
early as the days when they discovered

872
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:16,269
whatever it was a crashed it was well

873
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,200
yeah now when it comes to the moon

874
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:23,359
landings in the official capacity the

875
00:37:28,989 --> 00:37:25,700
problem I have is one the Van Allen

876
00:37:31,690 --> 00:37:28,999
belts and the radiation that goes with

877
00:37:33,459 --> 00:37:31,700
that but even if that's not enough to

878
00:37:36,339 --> 00:37:33,469
convince you there's something wrong

879
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:36,349
then it's just a photographs you know

880
00:37:39,099 --> 00:37:38,390
the photographs that NASA put out for

881
00:37:41,170 --> 00:37:39,109
everyone to see

882
00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:41,180
I mean they were supposed to have landed

883
00:37:45,249 --> 00:37:43,880
on the moon with their booster rockets

884
00:37:47,769 --> 00:37:45,259
firing underneath you had to slow their

885
00:37:49,329 --> 00:37:47,779
descent mm-hmm mmm you know it was

886
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:49,339
supposed to create that big creator of

887
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:51,890
Destin it was supposed to go up and then

888
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:54,920
land on the modules legs and your

889
00:37:58,779 --> 00:37:56,390
landing pad everything but if you look

890
00:38:00,880 --> 00:37:58,789
at the photographs there and you see the

891
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:00,890
the golden foil that they covered it you

892
00:38:04,809 --> 00:38:02,210
know to sort of protect them there's no

893
00:38:06,579 --> 00:38:04,819
dust on them at all yeah you know I mean

894
00:38:09,339 --> 00:38:06,589
that box of me is certain it them I mean

895
00:38:12,279 --> 00:38:09,349
that is something that was partly actual

896
00:38:14,289 --> 00:38:12,289
narrative and yet the evidence doesn't

897
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:14,299
show the narrative being followed you

898
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:17,529
know what I mean yeah so I mean but I

899
00:38:24,579 --> 00:38:21,640
mean let's just say they did go I mean

900
00:38:26,349 --> 00:38:24,589
something interesting I heard when I was

901
00:38:28,769 --> 00:38:26,359
watching the disclosed a project that

902
00:38:30,940 --> 00:38:28,779
Steven Greer did but in early 2001

903
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:30,950
mm-hmm there was a fella there I can

904
00:38:35,019 --> 00:38:32,630
remember his name right now but he

905
00:38:38,019 --> 00:38:35,029
talked about how he worked in the late

906
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,029
60s or early 70s as an engineer or data

907
00:38:42,999 --> 00:38:40,880
engineer some kind and somebody told him

908
00:38:45,279 --> 00:38:43,009
they discovered a base on the backside

909
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:45,289
of them yeah I was before they've

910
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:47,569
already been sending up the sending the

911
00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:48,770
modules up you know for

912
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:49,880
they were looking for landing sites

913
00:38:54,820 --> 00:38:52,880
during that time yeah I was like wow

914
00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:54,830
that's interesting so what makes me

915
00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:57,230
wonder is you know maybe they did go to

916
00:39:00,490 --> 00:38:58,970
the moon and they found something and

917
00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:00,500
from there on and they just needed to

918
00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:02,660
keep people distracted away from what

919
00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:05,060
they actually found yeah so they may be

920
00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:08,390
unveiling loads sorry I tell you the one

921
00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:10,520
thing that has always puzzled me and I

922
00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:13,820
know Phil and he witnessed the the

923
00:39:22,690 --> 00:39:18,830
landings as did I in 1969 is the images

924
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,700
when we first saw the images of you know

925
00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:25,520
the lander on the moon and leave the

926
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:27,260
astronauts moving round on the moon

927
00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:30,890
service surface the the girls like

928
00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:33,830
effects of them jumping around and this

929
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:36,140
girl star effect was coming out beyond

930
00:39:41,110 --> 00:39:38,540
him and then I mean you remember that

931
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:41,120
Phil quite clearly as I do and then

932
00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:45,110
after this it suddenly happened that you

933
00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:46,580
know the next landing on the moon we

934
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:48,260
have more or less perfect crystalline

935
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:50,690
crystal clear images of what was going

936
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:53,030
on and I've always found that very very

937
00:39:57,340 --> 00:39:55,190
confusing I must admit yeah I think what

938
00:40:00,100 --> 00:39:57,350
the I think what NASA did I think the

939
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:00,110
the ghost-like image you saw was a

940
00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:04,850
camera focused on their TV screen so you

941
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:07,400
won't get in a live feed you kind off if

942
00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:10,010
you know what I mean it wasn't direct so

943
00:40:16,030 --> 00:40:13,430
it's it's like if you again you know in

944
00:40:18,490 --> 00:40:16,040
photography we photographed the TV

945
00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:18,500
screen are the old TV screens anyway you

946
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:20,150
get the lines that you said go up and

947
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:23,330
down it yeah that's that was the effect

948
00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:25,430
that did there why they wanted total

949
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,070
control over it so they didn't want to

950
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:30,800
let it out as a live a live feed in that

951
00:40:36,370 --> 00:40:33,890
respect although it was live but it is

952
00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:36,380
puzzling and we have to remember what

953
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:39,080
the moon landings were about and what

954
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:41,840
anything to do with science you know

955
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:44,330
they were a propaganda race to the moon

956
00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:47,390
against the Russians that's all it was

957
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:49,460
there was only one geologist that went

958
00:40:56,290 --> 00:40:52,610
to the moon and the rest were were

959
00:40:58,300 --> 00:40:56,300
military men and again we had some of

960
00:41:00,540 --> 00:40:58,310
the astronauts lecture here in

961
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:00,550
Pontefract and I went to the lecture of

962
00:41:05,770 --> 00:41:02,810
was Aldrin himself

963
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:05,780
I didn't get chance to meet him or ask a

964
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:07,970
direct question and you know I tried my

965
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:12,560
damnedest so you know it was a you know

966
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:13,880
they like some of the youngsters in the

967
00:41:17,110 --> 00:41:15,530
audience asked questions it were the

968
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:17,120
same ones that have been asked a million

969
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:19,910
times I only got the Tyler in space you

970
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:22,610
know and all this kind of stuff but yeah

971
00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:25,610
I would have liked to have you know what

972
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:27,980
ten minutes with him if nothing else but

973
00:41:32,830 --> 00:41:31,310
yeah you've certainly got a number of

974
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:32,840
interests carrying a rather than just

975
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,500
the one oh well I've got quite a lot

976
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:38,960
more that I haven't mentioned to Chris

977
00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:41,510
but I just said I mean I don't really I

978
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:43,550
mean I don't watch TV anymore I don't

979
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:47,210
spend my time looking at it but I find

980
00:41:52,330 --> 00:41:50,090
until we know really fascinating and to

981
00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:52,340
me it's kind of liberating in a way you

982
00:41:56,590 --> 00:41:54,350
know this path the truth about it

983
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,600
well I watched a documentary last night

984
00:42:02,080 --> 00:41:58,640
the really are not about the flat

985
00:42:05,110 --> 00:42:02,090
earthers alright and the the growing

986
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:05,120
sort of flat earth movement as they call

987
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:07,670
it and they were convinced that their

988
00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:10,250
their ideas will be soon be accepted by

989
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:12,590
conventional science but what was

990
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:14,930
interesting they got a little bit of

991
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:19,730
money donated and one of their members

992
00:42:24,670 --> 00:42:21,770
was an engineer and they got this kind

993
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:24,680
of gyro and of course he said that you

994
00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:26,450
know the earth is supposed to race and

995
00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:28,820
rotate at whatever speed and whatever

996
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:31,640
died you know and this journey will

997
00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:33,410
check if that's true when of course when

998
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:37,100
he said he or pitied he did confirm that

999
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:38,810
the earth was spinning at such and such

1000
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:42,020
a speed and then they had a try to say

1001
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:44,450
well the earth is flat and we'll send a

1002
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:47,720
laser from point A to point B and we'll

1003
00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:49,850
mark the the the hike from here and it

1004
00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:51,140
should be get the same height when we

1005
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:53,720
get because it was you know there was

1006
00:42:59,110 --> 00:42:55,370
the curvature of the earth and you could

1007
00:43:00,400 --> 00:42:59,120
see him going oh oh dear and that's

1008
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,410
where the program ended you know what I

1009
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:03,200
mean try to say something I mean it go

1010
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:04,970
ahead Gary you know if they want to I

1011
00:43:10,930 --> 00:43:08,720
mean about this the more than maybe two

1012
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,940
probably three years ago as well okay

1013
00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:13,280
this is interesting because there's such

1014
00:43:18,839 --> 00:43:16,190
distrust in NASA and government and

1015
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:18,849
mainstream science and everything else I

1016
00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:21,650
mean I can understand why people would

1017
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:25,460
want to revalue or rethink what they

1018
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:28,250
think they know but this is just one

1019
00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:30,770
area where you know it seems out our

1020
00:43:36,099 --> 00:43:32,660
ideas of the earth being a globe or a

1021
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:36,109
sphere are actually correct I find what

1022
00:43:39,069 --> 00:43:37,640
are the other things that I find

1023
00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:39,079
interested is if you're standing in the

1024
00:43:42,849 --> 00:43:40,700
UK and you're looking at the rule yeah

1025
00:43:44,049 --> 00:43:42,859
and then he's standing in Australia and

1026
00:43:47,529 --> 00:43:44,059
you're looking at the moon they upside

1027
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:47,539
down to each other what is interesting

1028
00:43:54,930 --> 00:43:49,940
as well but what my point is is that

1029
00:44:00,010 --> 00:43:54,940
it's a very simple easily demonstrated

1030
00:44:01,299 --> 00:44:00,020
yet for theory idea I mean you start the

1031
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:01,309
sense of them and it just gets more

1032
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:05,119
complicated and more more intricate like

1033
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:06,710
we going with this you know I mean you

1034
00:44:10,089 --> 00:44:08,030
know you should be able to explain your

1035
00:44:12,370 --> 00:44:10,099
ideas in a simplistic way once you've

1036
00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:12,380
understood the science or at all yeah I

1037
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:14,440
think you're right I mean there is a

1038
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:19,760
trend if you want to call it to disagree

1039
00:44:25,299 --> 00:44:22,010
with conventional scientific thinking

1040
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,309
and conventional politics as well that's

1041
00:44:32,289 --> 00:44:28,640
why we have Trump elected in in the US

1042
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:32,299
that's why we have brexit and we you

1043
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:36,140
know all the conventional of politics

1044
00:44:42,789 --> 00:44:37,670
he's falling by the wayside

1045
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:42,799
not completely but reassessing certain

1046
00:44:47,470 --> 00:44:45,410
thing this is trend not a fashion or a

1047
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:47,480
movement call it what you will

1048
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:50,450
how long it will last remains to be seen

1049
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:52,700
but it was certainly interesting because

1050
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,400
the door flew in the Senate will have to

1051
00:45:01,200 --> 00:44:57,920
redo this experiment because you know

1052
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,210
think it's not going to change you know

1053
00:45:06,339 --> 00:45:04,160
it was like I did see they were trying

1054
00:45:08,769 --> 00:45:06,349
to figured out a way of doing the

1055
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:08,779
experiment to fit their theory you know

1056
00:45:12,849 --> 00:45:11,630
but they're always a way to fudge it

1057
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:12,859
they were you know the way they wanted

1058
00:45:18,819 --> 00:45:17,510
to fit their ideas but if the facts

1059
00:45:19,930 --> 00:45:18,829
don't fit the theory then you've got to

1060
00:45:23,049 --> 00:45:19,940
change the theory you can't change the

1061
00:45:24,970 --> 00:45:23,059
facts for what would they do because I

1062
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:24,980
did see a Molly and fun of people are

1063
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,690
quite recently theory but I mean come on

1064
00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:27,920
like you know at some point you've got

1065
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,900
to realize that

1066
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:32,960
game's up yes I'm just going to point

1067
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:35,540
out to you but I did see if a theory

1068
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:36,890
which is actually I believe it was in

1069
00:45:43,420 --> 00:45:39,530
the Daily Mail online in that the Flat

1070
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:43,430
Earth believers and I've actually got

1071
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:45,470
all their information from YouTube and

1072
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:47,630
it's that he's actually pushing the

1073
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:50,570
belief in the Flat Earth you know and I

1074
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:52,610
mean being a photographer I've used the

1075
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,090
example before of that if you stand in

1076
00:46:01,120 --> 00:45:58,400
one position and you know if you are

1077
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:01,130
there you could see clear to the horizon

1078
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:03,470
if you get somebody to stand so far away

1079
00:46:08,050 --> 00:46:05,210
because of the curvature of the earth

1080
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:08,060
you can see them from the knees up but

1081
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:09,650
as the walk towards you you gradually

1082
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:12,560
see the feet as the walking toward you

1083
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:14,570
so again proving the curvature of the

1084
00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:16,210
earth

1085
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,540
standard point a and use a telescope and

1086
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:25,520
just point it out and you should be able

1087
00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:28,910
to see where he ends you know exactly

1088
00:46:35,110 --> 00:46:32,150
exactly it was fully I mean you know I

1089
00:46:36,310 --> 00:46:35,120
mean that what was what was what was

1090
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:36,320
interesting there was a number of

1091
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:38,810
conventional scientists who obviously

1092
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,430
disagreed with them but then can of said

1093
00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:45,920
well we understand why they think like

1094
00:46:50,770 --> 00:46:48,380
they do and they're not not they're not

1095
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:50,780
crazy you know there are intelligent

1096
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:53,150
people you know and it says it's for us

1097
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:54,890
to engage with remember we haven't just

1098
00:46:58,540 --> 00:46:56,630
engaged with that we've been to elite

1099
00:47:00,400 --> 00:46:58,550
you know a scientists we know

1100
00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:00,410
everything's correct and weak we're

1101
00:47:06,010 --> 00:47:03,740
we're so clever so you know even they

1102
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:06,020
made excuses father mother didn't agree

1103
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:09,110
but it was fascinating my wife just luck

1104
00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:11,890
what's it in shook her head you know

1105
00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:17,420
which is with me anyway Chris did you

1106
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:19,700
know you're royalty Phil she does got to

1107
00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:21,890
get this right you know I still get to

1108
00:47:28,090 --> 00:47:23,660
try and get it to bow in my presence but

1109
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:28,100
she's now now what I wanted to do Gary

1110
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,730
was a donor and that over the years

1111
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:33,920
you've investigated quite a few cases

1112
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:36,410
and looked into various aspects of cases

1113
00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:39,170
now I do also know that you're a member

1114
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:42,920
of the Swansea UFO network which leads

1115
00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:43,630
me to

1116
00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:47,020
who asked you that oh you got involved

1117
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:48,790
with no you're gonna have to forgive my

1118
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:51,340
pronunciation of this of the name of the

1119
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:53,650
town because I'm a your cumin and we

1120
00:48:00,560 --> 00:47:56,590
don't speak Welsh so I'm thinking of is

1121
00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:03,660
and you're right within state to give

1122
00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:05,860
you all right then took yeah that's

1123
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:08,350
right well I'm a half well sure should

1124
00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:10,270
be able to say it my far other was Welsh

1125
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,000
well I'm born and bred in Yorkshire so

1126
00:48:19,410 --> 00:48:16,000
yeah well shop some funny names but you

1127
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:19,420
know that's that's just letters yep so

1128
00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:21,370
is that what happened they only joined

1129
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:23,020
this once a year for network and got

1130
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:26,610
involved I got involved with this one's

1131
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:30,490
about four years ago I'm still a member

1132
00:48:37,050 --> 00:48:33,570
of the group but I work independently

1133
00:48:40,140 --> 00:48:37,060
yeah just uh just to let you know um but

1134
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:40,150
yeah I just started go into some of

1135
00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:41,200
their meetings which were very

1136
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,830
interested in and then I thought well no

1137
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,480
this seems like a good idea to maybe you

1138
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:48,400
get more involved with so just started

1139
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:49,930
doing some you know just doing some

1140
00:48:54,990 --> 00:48:52,720
field research or online research

1141
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:55,000
looking for cases that can be documented

1142
00:48:59,640 --> 00:48:56,890
or even just add to the library of the

1143
00:49:01,470 --> 00:48:59,650
cases that they've got and then

1144
00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:01,480
somewhere along the way the Pentek

1145
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:04,120
incident came along and it took us a

1146
00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:06,190
while to get into that one but once we

1147
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:08,350
did I mean we initially all started

1148
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:10,270
together all of us but then I sort of

1149
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:12,570
branched away from them and just kept

1150
00:49:18,350 --> 00:49:15,100
I'd go in myself because I really wanted

1151
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:18,360
to get to the heart of it all yeah so

1152
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:22,000
what I want to do is I want to talk

1153
00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:24,790
about this case because it is growing

1154
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:27,640
and continuing to grow on a regular

1155
00:49:31,350 --> 00:49:28,930
basis with more and more information

1156
00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:31,360
coming through and do you want to

1157
00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:33,640
outline the case towards an out what

1158
00:49:38,490 --> 00:49:35,620
actually happened at the act the day of

1159
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:38,500
the event yeah sure excuse me I got a

1160
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:41,650
bit of a tickly cough lines well that's

1161
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:43,030
fine if you want to get your drink feel

1162
00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:45,430
free it's okay go hot drink we're both

1163
00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:48,550
okay well alright then I'll start at the

1164
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:51,880
beginning and then well we'll get into

1165
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:53,850
the discussion there if you if you like

1166
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,040
absolutely well what happened is

1167
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:00,720
the actual event itself took place on

1168
00:50:08,310 --> 00:50:06,400
Friday February 26 2016 and this really

1169
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:08,320
began about half-past two is what I call

1170
00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:11,500
the main event help us to in the morning

1171
00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:15,190
but what had happened three days prior

1172
00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:19,750
to the area of panto and surrounding

1173
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:22,270
towns and villages and everything so

1174
00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:23,650
they've been a growing military presence

1175
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:26,020
you know not just trucks on roads or

1176
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:28,210
anything but helicopters and jets and

1177
00:50:34,170 --> 00:50:31,090
planes in the sky now for someone like

1178
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:34,180
me who was lived in this area rather I

1179
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:35,710
don't look too far away from what for

1180
00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:39,250
the Lansing area you know this activity

1181
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:41,260
was very strange you know I mean I'm

1182
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:42,730
used to I look up isn't planes flying

1183
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:44,110
over or not the frequency they were

1184
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:46,270
doing and we were all wondering you know

1185
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,130
what's going on because they're coming

1186
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:50,800
around quite often and if flying very

1187
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:52,330
low the helicopters especially they

1188
00:50:58,530 --> 00:50:55,230
would on the above the mountain line and

1189
00:51:03,180 --> 00:50:58,540
this will continue up and continued on

1190
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:03,190
until the 24th 25th and Manley draw into

1191
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:09,490
the 26th of February now pregnant one of

1192
00:51:14,910 --> 00:51:12,670
the primary witnesses Cass Clark she'd

1193
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:14,920
be with her neighbors and friends do a

1194
00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:17,310
Sky Watch on the Thursday night because

1195
00:51:23,790 --> 00:51:20,590
during the days that was leading up to

1196
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:23,800
it where it happened she and her

1197
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:25,390
neighbors have been noticing that a

1198
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:28,420
series of planes two planes as a matter

1199
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:31,030
of fact were flying around in a circle

1200
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:33,250
not even the skies of pantera cologne

1201
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:35,710
for a moment one plane would come and do

1202
00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:37,270
circles another plane would come along

1203
00:51:43,830 --> 00:51:40,620
and do figure of eights and they

1204
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:43,840
contacted emod see if they could get the

1205
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:45,790
earth and this plane was flying day and

1206
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:47,640
night why the two planes are flying

1207
00:51:53,370 --> 00:51:51,610
eventually they got no answer so it

1208
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,380
can't be anything to do with an

1209
00:51:59,460 --> 00:51:56,640
emergency they said it must be something

1210
00:52:02,160 --> 00:51:59,470
dogs they said it must be something to

1211
00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:02,170
do with it must be something to do with

1212
00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:04,780
the military like they're waiting for

1213
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:08,440
something now where this becomes

1214
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:10,490
interesting is that

1215
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:12,290
cars and her friends like I said I've

1216
00:52:16,329 --> 00:52:15,290
waited all night you know they were

1217
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,339
doing this guy wants to see their

1218
00:52:23,710 --> 00:52:19,280
anything interesting would occur it got

1219
00:52:27,490 --> 00:52:23,720
into Friday and they were getting a bit

1220
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:27,500
tired and a little bit a little bit fed

1221
00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:29,089
up with it all so they decided that they

1222
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:30,320
were going to get ready to go in and

1223
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:33,050
then all of a sudden an e3 sentry plane

1224
00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:34,030
showed up

1225
00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:36,470
now cars will tell you at the time she

1226
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:37,910
didn't know her niiice and she well she

1227
00:52:42,490 --> 00:52:40,010
wasn't a plane spotter but her neighbor

1228
00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:42,500
gave who's the other witness who hasn't

1229
00:52:49,329 --> 00:52:46,520
gone public yet Davis an alias what it

1230
00:52:52,510 --> 00:52:49,339
is is that he recognized what it was and

1231
00:52:54,339 --> 00:52:52,520
what happened then is that during this

1232
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,349
30 minutes you know other planes started

1233
00:53:02,700 --> 00:52:57,200
to show up they all started the circle

1234
00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:02,710
in this area of pantera fields and I

1235
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:05,020
think it was about half-past two

1236
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:08,270
suddenly just there it appeared they

1237
00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:10,730
were watching they were watching and

1238
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,380
this red light just came down I don't

1239
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:14,960
know if I can fail in the sky and

1240
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:17,510
immediately they were excited to see

1241
00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:18,740
what they were looking at and then they

1242
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:21,380
ran to the gates with the the gates

1243
00:53:25,089 --> 00:53:23,270
where this field comes into but the

1244
00:53:26,589 --> 00:53:25,099
entrance to these fields and when they

1245
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:26,599
caught over there they notice that the

1246
00:53:30,730 --> 00:53:28,550
red lights are becoming more you know it

1247
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:30,740
would become three lights then six

1248
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:33,920
lights and then the entire object would

1249
00:53:40,450 --> 00:53:36,530
light up like a big pyramid shaped

1250
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:40,460
object which Karthus described is coming

1251
00:53:45,730 --> 00:53:43,390
down in a pendulum motion no look at

1252
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:45,740
anti-clockwise pendulum motion if I'm

1253
00:53:51,630 --> 00:53:49,520
correct and it was enormous I mean these

1254
00:53:54,220 --> 00:53:51,640
planes were circling around it like

1255
00:53:58,780 --> 00:53:54,230
birds circling around something you know

1256
00:54:00,700 --> 00:53:58,790
on the ground and what happened then is

1257
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:00,710
this this green object shot out of it

1258
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:04,310
which was like kind of like a I can only

1259
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:07,010
describe it as a tea quarry you know it

1260
00:54:10,270 --> 00:54:08,750
was looking around from one end of the

1261
00:54:15,790 --> 00:54:10,280
field to the other moving very quickly

1262
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:15,800
and then what happened then is that two

1263
00:54:19,870 --> 00:54:17,930
other planes came along this green

1264
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:19,880
object managed to attract its attention

1265
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:22,010
by shining these beams of light at it

1266
00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:24,290
like come on this way

1267
00:54:29,380 --> 00:54:26,750
but not before the main body this large

1268
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:29,390
pyramid shaped craft which you know they

1269
00:54:34,450 --> 00:54:31,370
both describe as large in pyramid shaped

1270
00:54:37,390 --> 00:54:34,460
and full of red lights I'm the one

1271
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:37,400
witness Dave he saw multiple orbs or

1272
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:39,770
these like barrel shaped objects coming

1273
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:42,050
out of the the body of the top of it on

1274
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:45,110
the end of the top of it and a twenty or

1275
00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:48,170
so of these red and green objects were

1276
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:49,750
circling around coming out of it and

1277
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:52,670
what caused it see if she was so fixated

1278
00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:54,260
on the bottom of it you couldn't see the

1279
00:54:57,220 --> 00:54:56,180
topic or where it was that huge if

1280
00:54:59,950 --> 00:54:57,230
you're looking at the bottom you can't

1281
00:55:03,520 --> 00:54:59,960
see in the top and she said this thing

1282
00:55:05,050 --> 00:55:03,530
had moved across the fields and it got

1283
00:55:07,090 --> 00:55:05,060
really close to the ground and they let

1284
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:07,100
out this huge hand of lightning just in

1285
00:55:11,410 --> 00:55:09,110
the corner but it's like real bright

1286
00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:11,420
orange a white hand of lightning as if

1287
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:13,880
to like stop itself from touching the

1288
00:55:20,110 --> 00:55:18,290
ground yeah I mean this whole event was

1289
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:20,120
going on with the military already

1290
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:23,210
waiting above military plane circling

1291
00:55:29,260 --> 00:55:27,050
and then all of a sudden she looked up

1292
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:29,270
to see these planes coming for the green

1293
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:31,250
object which at this point was flashing

1294
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:33,470
at them becoming you know come over here

1295
00:55:39,550 --> 00:55:36,800
come over here she looked back down this

1296
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:39,560
giant shaped pyramid had gone you know

1297
00:55:42,550 --> 00:55:40,790
he whether it blacked out it's light so

1298
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:42,560
it's gone back the way it came but this

1299
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:45,020
green light this green barrel object if

1300
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:48,770
you will had taken direction into ur not

1301
00:55:51,790 --> 00:55:50,330
into the northwest which is where land

1302
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:51,800
Tristen is the other oil co Morgan

1303
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:53,960
Hospital and smile Oakwood which is

1304
00:55:59,470 --> 00:55:55,430
where a lot of other things took place

1305
00:56:00,910 --> 00:55:59,480
now this wasn't the end of it this

1306
00:56:04,030 --> 00:56:00,920
wasn't the end of it what happened next

1307
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:04,040
is something even more incredible to the

1308
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:05,510
case he loved the details the villages

1309
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:07,450
so you know so detailed and intricate

1310
00:56:12,340 --> 00:56:11,090
they were just watching and watching and

1311
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:12,350
then all of a sudden they saw something

1312
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:13,790
moving in the distance and these two

1313
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:16,190
that's how they described him these two

1314
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:20,570
barrel shaped objects they were red dave

1315
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:24,170
was Dave was standing not too far away

1316
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:25,970
from cars because was up on the gate

1317
00:56:29,050 --> 00:56:27,530
itself trying to get a better look into

1318
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:29,060
the distance what was going on but then

1319
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:30,890
she looked around and there they were

1320
00:56:34,210 --> 00:56:32,810
those two red barrel shaped objects were

1321
00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:34,220
looking looking after and taking an

1322
00:56:37,870 --> 00:56:36,830
interest in them and the one was right

1323
00:56:39,610 --> 00:56:37,880
above cars there's a

1324
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:39,620
to the right of the gate and it was

1325
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:41,090
right above her she well you could

1326
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:43,310
probably jump up and touch it if you if

1327
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:45,530
you wanted to she didn't know where else

1328
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:47,150
to do she just waved at it

1329
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:48,770
you know as if to say hello and then

1330
00:56:52,690 --> 00:56:51,110
this thing this barrel shaped object

1331
00:56:56,490 --> 00:56:52,700
went from red to green and just let out

1332
00:56:59,470 --> 00:56:56,500
this really powerful light armor and

1333
00:57:01,360 --> 00:56:59,480
according to what casas told me you know

1334
00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:01,370
they felt like they were being scanned

1335
00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:03,740
but this thing was looking at them

1336
00:57:08,670 --> 00:57:05,420
scanning them taking an interest in them

1337
00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:08,680
and then it just stopped

1338
00:57:13,570 --> 00:57:12,440
the to cut the two barrels went away I

1339
00:57:15,580 --> 00:57:13,580
think they turned them you know they

1340
00:57:17,110 --> 00:57:15,590
darkened down one went over to the

1341
00:57:18,430 --> 00:57:17,120
direction of say in Athens and the other

1342
00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:18,440
one went over the other direction which

1343
00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:22,760
is near Gotham oh then and then that's

1344
00:57:26,980 --> 00:57:23,720
not the end of it either

1345
00:57:28,930 --> 00:57:26,990
then just as things were you know I mean

1346
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:28,940
that's enough in itself you know it's a

1347
00:57:32,830 --> 00:57:30,530
really freaky getting was adrenaline

1348
00:57:36,340 --> 00:57:32,840
going to freak them out but they saw

1349
00:57:38,530 --> 00:57:36,350
some party helicopters started to move

1350
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:38,540
across the fields in the distance I may

1351
00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:39,890
were heading in the direction with this

1352
00:57:44,350 --> 00:57:41,960
green object earlier when I was acting

1353
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:44,360
like a decoy or doing reconnaissance but

1354
00:57:49,630 --> 00:57:47,990
in a playful kind of way these poxy

1355
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:49,640
helicopters had gone over there were

1356
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:50,240
three of them

1357
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:52,850
Donal Mattel and Tristan and then it

1358
00:57:56,350 --> 00:57:54,350
must have been about an hour maybe an

1359
00:58:00,270 --> 00:57:56,360
hour and a half later but it was I know

1360
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:00,280
what the time was it was about 421 p.m.

1361
00:58:08,290 --> 00:58:03,950
next thing you know boom you know just

1362
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:08,300
this almighty explosion coming not too

1363
00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:09,530
far from electriss-- and common outside

1364
00:58:13,780 --> 00:58:11,840
the world Morgan Hospital and this is

1365
00:58:17,830 --> 00:58:13,790
five miles away from where Cass and Dave

1366
00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:17,840
live and they said it was loud really

1367
00:58:26,290 --> 00:58:20,320
loud I mean it was just unbelievable

1368
00:58:28,090 --> 00:58:26,300
sound and yeah I mean what happened then

1369
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:28,100
is that through the research that we've

1370
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:30,410
done you know I found out that an Apache

1371
00:58:34,540 --> 00:58:32,600
gunship was forced to make an emergency

1372
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,550
landing at Cardiff Airport with smoke

1373
00:58:41,230 --> 00:58:37,280
out of the cockpit it landed at 4:34

1374
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:41,240
and when cars baron a birdie and there

1375
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:42,050
are other friends

1376
00:58:46,750 --> 00:58:44,650
I heard Donna and Steve we call them

1377
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:46,760
they decided that you know they were

1378
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,650
gonna get up in the air when the Sun was

1379
00:58:50,530 --> 00:58:50,000
up they were still you know they were

1380
00:58:51,609 --> 00:58:50,540
still buzzing

1381
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:51,619
Qasr Dave

1382
00:58:55,180 --> 00:58:53,930
you know from the night's events they

1383
00:58:58,180 --> 00:58:55,190
were going to go and investigate the

1384
00:58:59,410 --> 00:58:58,190
fields and door with just my log and see

1385
00:59:01,420 --> 00:58:59,420
what was going on and that's where they

1386
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:01,430
discovered you know that smile ugh would

1387
00:59:07,479 --> 00:59:05,170
had indeed been shut down cordoned off

1388
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:07,489
not long after this explosion took place

1389
00:59:11,469 --> 00:59:11,089
and that something was removed from that

1390
00:59:14,019 --> 00:59:11,479
area

1391
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,029
not long sometimes in the early I was

1392
00:59:20,289 --> 00:59:16,880
it's maybe six or seven I believe anyway

1393
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:20,299
but um they started their own

1394
00:59:25,450 --> 00:59:21,710
investigations and then when they got

1395
00:59:27,370 --> 00:59:25,460
the smile of words how they found where

1396
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:27,380
to go in this my leg was that they went

1397
00:59:30,489 --> 00:59:28,910
elantris in common they found that the

1398
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:30,499
military had been working over the land

1399
00:59:34,539 --> 00:59:33,529
rest in common area all night starting

1400
00:59:36,370 --> 00:59:34,549
up all the metal all the scrap metal

1401
00:59:38,289 --> 00:59:36,380
well that was actually on the common

1402
00:59:39,459 --> 00:59:38,299
ground itself it been a few years no one

1403
00:59:40,509 --> 00:59:39,469
wanted to clear it the council didn't

1404
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:40,519
want anything to do with it but then

1405
00:59:45,459 --> 00:59:43,910
suddenly this exercise comes along and

1406
00:59:48,459 --> 00:59:45,469
it's vitally important for them to

1407
00:59:52,930 --> 00:59:48,469
collect all this now know what that oh

1408
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:52,940
but Cass and her friend Steve they went

1409
00:59:59,049 --> 00:59:57,440
over to smile up was I thought it was

1410
01:00:02,229 --> 00:59:59,059
insane or maybe the next day they found

1411
01:00:04,509 --> 01:00:02,239
this trail this into an area that we

1412
01:00:07,539 --> 01:00:04,519
call the impact site because there was

1413
01:00:09,759 --> 01:00:07,549
broken trees and branches in the

1414
01:00:13,089 --> 01:00:09,769
treetops like 15 20 feet above when they

1415
01:00:16,509 --> 01:00:13,099
finally get into an area five or six

1416
01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:16,519
large trees smashed it you know four or

1417
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:19,880
five six seven feet up and it looks like

1418
01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:22,130
something large went in there and

1419
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:23,960
brought those trees and I mean you know

1420
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:25,249
it would take some force to break those

1421
01:00:30,959 --> 01:00:28,729
trees now just to add a little more to

1422
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:30,969
this in the days and weeks are followed

1423
01:00:35,769 --> 01:00:34,400
along they collected on their phones

1424
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:35,779
like on their whatsapp their computers

1425
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:37,910
their emails all of that was deleted

1426
01:00:44,410 --> 01:00:40,130
somebody had hacked cars and dames

1427
01:00:45,579 --> 01:00:44,420
machines if Oh ones and emails and their

1428
01:00:48,339 --> 01:00:45,589
laptops and all that information was

1429
01:00:50,019 --> 01:00:48,349
taken away never been the turn sense and

1430
01:00:54,219 --> 01:00:50,029
then you know the weeks are followed

1431
01:00:55,569 --> 01:00:54,229
again and some men had been seen in the

1432
01:00:57,009 --> 01:00:55,579
fields not too far from where this

1433
01:00:59,469 --> 01:00:57,019
incident took place this large triangle

1434
01:01:03,009 --> 01:00:59,479
pyramid in the hand of lightly in the

1435
01:01:04,329 --> 01:01:03,019
barrels scanning them and everything you

1436
01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:04,339
know they said that they were working

1437
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:05,240
from Boulder

1438
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:06,890
or that they were fracking survey team

1439
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:08,570
but for some reason you know they had a

1440
01:01:13,390 --> 01:01:09,770
commanding officer and you were carrying

1441
01:01:16,030 --> 01:01:13,400
automatic weapons you know what I mean

1442
01:01:22,690 --> 01:01:16,040
but yeah I mean if they're voter for now

1443
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:22,700
they're people who carry automatic but I

1444
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:24,410
mean yeah and since then we've been

1445
01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:28,250
doing lots of what happened in those men

1446
01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:29,540
were there some time to make March or

1447
01:01:34,090 --> 01:01:32,660
early April of 2016 but swans the UFO

1448
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:34,100
network and myself and then layered in

1449
01:01:40,930 --> 01:01:37,369
myself and council working together we

1450
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:40,940
started we started really investigating

1451
01:01:46,030 --> 01:01:44,240
this from October 2017 and then since

1452
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:46,040
then you know we've been gathering all

1453
01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:49,790
this evidence and just putting the case

1454
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:51,350
together where as you say the

1455
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:54,110
information Kim then the information

1456
01:01:58,300 --> 01:01:56,690
keeps growing as it is as we conclude

1457
01:02:00,070 --> 01:01:58,310
it's not an exercise it was a real life

1458
01:02:03,250 --> 01:02:00,080
event about life event being it was a

1459
01:02:07,390 --> 01:02:03,260
UFO encounter with the military waiting

1460
01:02:09,780 --> 01:02:07,400
on a bush for those who and Buddhist but

1461
01:02:14,349 --> 01:02:09,790
who do get out with a Mitch magazine and

1462
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,359
there is a lot all about this case in an

1463
01:02:19,090 --> 01:02:16,640
earlier edition of outer limits magazine

1464
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:19,100
but am there I would imagine me I think

1465
01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:21,410
that was about a year or so ago now when

1466
01:02:25,150 --> 01:02:23,540
that was in Gary but obviously obviously

1467
01:02:28,990 --> 01:02:25,160
a lot of more things have come to light

1468
01:02:32,349 --> 01:02:29,000
since then yes and you know that I mean

1469
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:32,359
something was taken from a smile of

1470
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:35,330
Woody's yeah yeah what is that you've

1471
01:02:39,609 --> 01:02:37,040
actually learned in about the MOA and

1472
01:02:42,010 --> 01:02:39,619
the South Wales Police and I are EF

1473
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:42,020
regarding a cover-up of information Wow

1474
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:46,330
I mean they're originals their original

1475
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,910
excuse or you know the usual

1476
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:50,720
explanations they get besides just an

1477
01:02:54,970 --> 01:02:53,210
exercise with simulated gunfire and

1478
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:54,980
explosions and there's nothing for

1479
01:02:58,810 --> 01:02:57,440
people to worry about but I mean the

1480
01:03:01,300 --> 01:02:58,820
people who live in the area like myself

1481
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:01,310
or those who were living in Pentos or

1482
01:03:07,180 --> 01:03:05,510
LAN true sense you know those areas they

1483
01:03:08,859 --> 01:03:07,190
know what a military exercise isn't this

1484
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:08,869
what this wasn't you know your standard

1485
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:11,330
military exercise it took place in the

1486
01:03:17,530 --> 01:03:13,010
middle of a night over a populated area

1487
01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:17,540
for all with not a real warnings given

1488
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,040
unless you

1489
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:21,200
were able to go on the website look at

1490
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:22,400
the no time he wouldn't have know that

1491
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:23,570
they were going to what exercise in

1492
01:03:31,290 --> 01:03:29,090
advance but what it is about the MLD in

1493
01:03:33,790 --> 01:03:31,300
the RAF and South Wales police is that a

1494
01:03:35,610 --> 01:03:33,800
lot of people who were around bat and I

1495
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:35,620
said that roads had been closed off

1496
01:03:40,660 --> 01:03:39,200
there man was seen j-- i thing down

1497
01:03:42,730 --> 01:03:40,670
smile awkward sand that there was a lot

1498
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:42,740
of them a lot of explosions taking place

1499
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:43,970
which people up you know they were very

1500
01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:44,930
frightened by it

1501
01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:47,420
I just wanted and once I once I was able

1502
01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:49,190
to establish the military's involvement

1503
01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:51,620
the timeline affirm how they had all

1504
01:03:54,580 --> 01:03:53,150
their equipment and helicopters and

1505
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:54,590
planes and jets and soldiers and

1506
01:03:58,510 --> 01:03:56,450
everything up in North North England by

1507
01:04:00,510 --> 01:03:58,520
RAF Lehmann because they were practicing

1508
01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:00,520
the yeah the operations up there

1509
01:04:05,410 --> 01:04:02,510
suddenly on the night in question you

1510
01:04:06,580 --> 01:04:05,420
know when Kaz and Dave were our friends

1511
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:06,590
were all doing that Night Watch here

1512
01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:09,170
they brought all this equipment down to

1513
01:04:13,390 --> 01:04:12,020
UM say now Finn's way and then they

1514
01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:13,400
waited and they waited in their weight

1515
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:14,660
and and it seems like when they finally

1516
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:16,880
got the word they all went up and at the

1517
01:04:22,810 --> 01:04:20,620
same time in large presence in force

1518
01:04:24,130 --> 01:04:22,820
and I just like well that don't make

1519
01:04:25,810 --> 01:04:24,140
sense and you know what were they firing

1520
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,820
that was his explosions why were you

1521
01:04:30,580 --> 01:04:27,920
three centuries there and I'll get it I

1522
01:04:32,770 --> 01:04:30,590
am getting but it's just I'm asking

1523
01:04:34,660 --> 01:04:32,780
about all this you know because if the

1524
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:34,670
roads were closed off and the police

1525
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:36,710
we're involved they should that

1526
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:38,480
paperwork on it somebody would have

1527
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:39,770
requested them to reclose the world

1528
01:04:42,550 --> 01:04:40,640
because that's their job that's what

1529
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:42,560
they're responsible for but the police

1530
01:04:45,660 --> 01:04:44,210
don't seem to be very forthcoming with

1531
01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:45,670
information they've given me things like

1532
01:04:51,010 --> 01:04:49,670
vexatious requests you know you know

1533
01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:51,020
it's too much of a problem for them to

1534
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:52,700
actually final it would require too many

1535
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:55,760
man-hours they seem to have no records

1536
01:05:03,360 --> 01:04:58,640
or no what's the word I'm looking for

1537
01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:03,370
no information whatsoever really into a

1538
01:05:08,050 --> 01:05:06,380
day as far as the RAF I'm asking about

1539
01:05:10,780 --> 01:05:08,060
why their planes were seen in the air

1540
01:05:14,260 --> 01:05:10,790
one particular plane I call them Zed Zed

1541
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:14,270
fallen ate its course I think 48 at the

1542
01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:16,430
time that was one of the planes circling

1543
01:05:21,010 --> 01:05:18,620
with said gene 996 that's his tail

1544
01:05:24,370 --> 01:05:21,020
number by the way two planes were seen

1545
01:05:26,530 --> 01:05:24,380
on public rate on internet rate was

1546
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:26,540
playing finder and flight tracker and

1547
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:29,330
all that you can find them there those

1548
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:30,410
were seen for three days there was a

1549
01:05:32,859 --> 01:05:32,330
circling circling and doing figure eight

1550
01:05:35,170 --> 01:05:32,869
so nice

1551
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:35,180
wanted to know you know why was that

1552
01:05:40,049 --> 01:05:37,849
plane there they just cream section 26

1553
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:40,059
and I don't not in the public interest

1554
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:41,930
saying that they're not doing a military

1555
01:05:46,329 --> 01:05:43,910
exercise but in other questions I said

1556
01:05:48,910 --> 01:05:46,339
oh you know there wasn't exercise but

1557
01:05:51,730 --> 01:05:48,920
it's under Section 20 service I mean mmm

1558
01:05:53,739 --> 01:05:51,740
I mean you know why were they cleaning

1559
01:05:58,569 --> 01:05:53,749
up the common of the scrub mail as seen

1560
01:06:00,609 --> 01:05:58,579
by witnesses section 26 you know the

1561
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:00,619
mask of the MLD no no where's the

1562
01:06:06,099 --> 01:06:03,410
listings for this exercise are there

1563
01:06:08,829 --> 01:06:06,109
gonna be any other further further

1564
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:08,839
involvements of exercises involving a

1565
01:06:13,450 --> 01:06:10,490
simulated explosions of shaped buildings

1566
01:06:15,999 --> 01:06:13,460
or I'll submit something to that effect

1567
01:06:18,730 --> 01:06:16,009
it's just like section 26 always know

1568
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:18,740
what they hold no information Genoa

1569
01:06:21,579 --> 01:06:20,210
they give me an answer which makes

1570
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:21,589
absolutely no sense it just raises more

1571
01:06:26,140 --> 01:06:24,410
questions and it's like is it constant

1572
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:26,150
grind for information it's like you

1573
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:28,329
can't give me a direct simple

1574
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:31,609
explanation and you know all information

1575
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:33,049
that would have been available at the

1576
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:35,200
time somehow has been deleted or removed

1577
01:06:39,309 --> 01:06:37,130
so to me you know they're hiding

1578
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:39,319
something and when you look at you know

1579
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:41,690
what Cass Clark has said to the public

1580
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:44,089
and what they told me in private and

1581
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:45,680
what I found through the investigations

1582
01:06:48,999 --> 01:06:47,450
you know field research you know it's

1583
01:06:51,099 --> 01:06:49,009
clear to me that's something incredible

1584
01:06:55,299 --> 01:06:51,109
has taken place here and that has to be

1585
01:06:58,029 --> 01:06:55,309
the arrival in wait in presence of a

1586
01:06:59,739 --> 01:06:58,039
large triangular pyramid shape UFO it

1587
01:07:01,599 --> 01:06:59,749
almost came who this world in an

1588
01:07:05,170 --> 01:07:01,609
interdimensional way is you know it was

1589
01:07:08,769 --> 01:07:05,180
an interdimensional craft is you know

1590
01:07:12,279 --> 01:07:08,779
you know now we say correctly correct me

1591
01:07:13,509 --> 01:07:12,289
if I'm wrong but I believe and Phil you

1592
01:07:16,479 --> 01:07:13,519
can correct me as well if I'm wrong

1593
01:07:19,779 --> 01:07:16,489
he'll let you do that circuit and I

1594
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:19,789
believe that the moid does afternoon tea

1595
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,880
fie local authorities when something

1596
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:25,039
like this is he's actually going to up

1597
01:07:32,049 --> 01:07:28,480
in as their local exercise am i right

1598
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:32,059
absolutely you know yes certainly when

1599
01:07:39,069 --> 01:07:36,559
it's in you know over public land I

1600
01:07:41,229 --> 01:07:39,079
don't know how long the warning is you

1601
01:07:43,150 --> 01:07:41,239
know that they have to give of an

1602
01:07:47,350 --> 01:07:43,160
exercise taking place but they certainly

1603
01:07:50,620 --> 01:07:47,360
have to give one and you know

1604
01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:50,630
doesn't come under any article 26 as far

1605
01:07:54,820 --> 01:07:51,980
as I'm concerned because they have to

1606
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:54,830
notify you in the first instance yes so

1607
01:08:02,610 --> 01:07:57,680
oh you would be asking it's like you

1608
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:02,620
know we had we had Calvin Parkers again

1609
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:05,570
guests are on the show of a few weeks

1610
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:08,810
back and one of the suggestions about

1611
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:11,110
his encounter in Pascagoula that it was

1612
01:08:17,769 --> 01:08:14,570
something the military had done and the

1613
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:17,779
reason that would suggest one of the

1614
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:19,970
documents that have got some chap claims

1615
01:08:24,370 --> 01:08:21,850
that there was an exercise that night

1616
01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:24,380
and that the local authorities had

1617
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:28,190
already been notified Calvin and jellies

1618
01:08:32,769 --> 01:08:29,750
are was was them the lights from their

1619
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:32,779
aircraft of course a helicopter I should

1620
01:08:39,130 --> 01:08:35,510
say not an aircraft a helicopter well

1621
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:39,140
you know soon in how they capture the

1622
01:08:45,370 --> 01:08:40,970
noise he's absolutely sensational

1623
01:08:47,170 --> 01:08:45,380
forests in a tough you know um where

1624
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:47,180
they were fishing would have blown every

1625
01:08:51,789 --> 01:08:49,010
debris would have been blown everywhere

1626
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:51,799
of course there was none of that but

1627
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:54,730
then they don't explain why if you saw a

1628
01:09:00,670 --> 01:08:57,650
Helen the copper to you would both have

1629
01:09:02,349 --> 01:09:00,680
this strange experience I mean you know

1630
01:09:05,170 --> 01:09:02,359
but the point being they claimed that

1631
01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:05,180
that notified the local authorities and

1632
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:07,880
when that was check there was no

1633
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:10,640
notification and there was no exercise

1634
01:09:15,670 --> 01:09:12,680
in the area so oh you will be asking if

1635
01:09:18,430 --> 01:09:15,680
the mo D or the RAF is can we just have

1636
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:18,440
a copy of what you sent to the you know

1637
01:09:22,539 --> 01:09:21,410
this the civil authorities to confirm

1638
01:09:26,559 --> 01:09:22,549
that that was taking place

1639
01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:26,569
well yeah absolutely please talking

1640
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:29,750
about notifications of um you know the

1641
01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:32,839
yeah just sending out notifications of

1642
01:09:38,349 --> 01:09:36,500
an exercise on come and it seems for

1643
01:09:40,090 --> 01:09:38,359
there's two exercises that took place in

1644
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:40,100
this area in that year one was on the

1645
01:09:45,789 --> 01:09:42,130
28th of June 2016

1646
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:45,799
notifications everywhere and people

1647
01:09:51,010 --> 01:09:48,290
being told what to expect this seems

1648
01:09:54,780 --> 01:09:51,020
with this so-called exercise of February

1649
01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:54,790
26 there's no notification whatsoever

1650
01:10:00,189 --> 01:09:58,210
and if anything the difference is very

1651
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:00,199
different

1652
01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:06,800
June I mean it's just like small silly

1653
01:10:10,330 --> 01:10:08,360
gunfire and some puffs of smoke

1654
01:10:11,770 --> 01:10:10,340
you know it's an isolated area you know

1655
01:10:13,689 --> 01:10:11,780
fenced off from the public but in this

1656
01:10:16,090 --> 01:10:13,699
one you know they start off in Panther

1657
01:10:19,330 --> 01:10:16,100
for three days then they bring this

1658
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:19,340
enormous military presence with NATO

1659
01:10:24,610 --> 01:10:21,290
being involved I should add NATO were

1660
01:10:27,070 --> 01:10:24,620
involved in this and then when it when

1661
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:27,080
it seems everything's done in the fields

1662
01:10:32,530 --> 01:10:29,840
of plan to it they then switch areas the

1663
01:10:35,260 --> 01:10:32,540
main draw a smile up wouldn't the

1664
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,270
Contras in common and all attempts to

1665
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:37,040
find out why they would do that or just

1666
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:39,110
that maybe local authorities were

1667
01:10:44,260 --> 01:10:42,560
notified about this not just turned the

1668
01:10:46,300 --> 01:10:44,270
southwest police the Royal gomorian

1669
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:46,310
Hospital couldn't have University Health

1670
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,290
Board you know the fire services and all

1671
01:10:52,180 --> 01:10:50,239
the other things no one was given any

1672
01:10:55,419 --> 01:10:52,190
notification but if I can just say that

1673
01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:55,429
this as I've kept pressuring them and

1674
01:10:59,620 --> 01:10:57,590
kept asking for answers now they telling

1675
01:11:02,290 --> 01:10:59,630
me they were notified they're changing

1676
01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:02,300
their story it's like oh now you have

1677
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:04,190
this information can I have a place oh

1678
01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:05,810
we don't hold any records on it but we

1679
01:11:10,030 --> 01:11:07,790
weren't notified through an email or

1680
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:10,040
something and it's like well where's the

1681
01:11:14,050 --> 01:11:12,170
email you know what I mean it's just how

1682
01:11:16,209 --> 01:11:14,060
it works I mean they're changing this

1683
01:11:18,340 --> 01:11:16,219
story all the time but to me is an

1684
01:11:19,780 --> 01:11:18,350
evidence of a cover-up doing it but if

1685
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:19,790
you don't pressure them for questions or

1686
01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:21,110
don't you know I don't want to ask for

1687
01:11:25,209 --> 01:11:23,540
you can accept their you know

1688
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:25,219
explanation and that's it the world just

1689
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:27,290
moves on but you know I'm one of those

1690
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:30,080
people that you know if I if I don't see

1691
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:31,610
sense in it then and you know I want

1692
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,690
answers not for it to make sense okay

1693
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,520
one thing I'd like to ask Gary I mean

1694
01:11:41,709 --> 01:11:39,679
you know you've talked about the you

1695
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:41,719
know Kazon and and the other gentleman

1696
01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:45,290
well it were any other sort of secondary

1697
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:48,020
witnesses to something similar nearby or

1698
01:11:54,729 --> 01:11:52,400
you know wow this is what we call a

1699
01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:54,739
potential third witness just to this

1700
01:12:01,870 --> 01:11:57,710
incident actually there's a website

1701
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:01,880
called South Wales awakening and about a

1702
01:12:08,530 --> 01:12:04,850
week about a week after this event a

1703
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,540
tick in place no I'm here to tell you

1704
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:10,400
the story it happened on the 26th of

1705
01:12:13,660 --> 01:12:12,650
February and then on the 28th of

1706
01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:13,670
February

1707
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:16,550
there was a conference you know a

1708
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:19,010
presentation night by rich planet

1709
01:12:25,570 --> 01:12:23,120
Richard Kehoe yeah and 20 and there was

1710
01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:25,580
a Q&A session and Kaspar got the

1711
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:28,190
microphone told the room what she saw

1712
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,670
that night

1713
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:30,800
everybody knew that two days ago there's

1714
01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:32,510
some strange military activity but no

1715
01:12:36,670 --> 01:12:34,940
one could figure out why and then she

1716
01:12:38,410 --> 01:12:36,680
just said in a very frantic but very

1717
01:12:41,860 --> 01:12:38,420
composed way that what happened that

1718
01:12:43,330 --> 01:12:41,870
night was you know are you where Chloe

1719
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:43,340
incident that the military were waiting

1720
01:12:46,690 --> 01:12:44,690
for and everyone just turned Awards and

1721
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:46,700
was like what you know the old room was

1722
01:12:52,750 --> 01:12:49,250
electrified by that bond it was a very

1723
01:12:58,270 --> 01:12:52,760
exciting thing to go and what could be

1724
01:12:59,740 --> 01:12:58,280
actually you'd be quite a brave things I

1725
01:13:02,110 --> 01:12:59,750
think she's probably one of the bravest

1726
01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:02,120
people I've ever met I mean to not just

1727
01:13:07,090 --> 01:13:05,480
say it but to go public with it and one

1728
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:07,100
day she'll probably I'll let her tell

1729
01:13:13,690 --> 01:13:10,850
you the full story to that but what it

1730
01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:13,700
is is that then to date that that

1731
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:15,710
information was then put on the

1732
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:18,770
software's awakening website yeah but it

1733
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:20,090
would be mentioned that this is what

1734
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:21,230
happened and there's somebody had said

1735
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,770
about it in the roles and hospitals the

1736
01:13:29,380 --> 01:13:26,480
roles being closed Hospital shaking loud

1737
01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:29,390
explosions and blah blah blah but this

1738
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:31,070
person calling themselves Mike Henry

1739
01:13:37,390 --> 01:13:34,010
made a comment on this post and it's

1740
01:13:39,220 --> 01:13:37,400
amazingly detailed comment I don't

1741
01:13:41,890 --> 01:13:39,230
believe this person's name is Mike Embry

1742
01:13:44,530 --> 01:13:41,900
it's probably an alias for he or she but

1743
01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:44,540
here they describe in detail what they

1744
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:46,390
saw they were walking their dog on

1745
01:13:50,710 --> 01:13:48,890
tenneco drawed which is a jate not just

1746
01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:50,720
adjacent and to it parallel to the

1747
01:13:57,010 --> 01:13:54,830
fields and he noticed or she noticed

1748
01:13:58,600 --> 01:13:57,020
that there was a plane circling and they

1749
01:14:01,900 --> 01:13:58,610
were like five or six planes circling at

1750
01:14:03,700 --> 01:14:01,910
this point and just at that point then

1751
01:14:05,950 --> 01:14:03,710
they stay not just some strobing or

1752
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:05,960
pulsing red light which we came all red

1753
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:09,440
lights which then became a large like

1754
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:13,130
triangular shaped craft of some kind

1755
01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:16,610
with more lights dancing around it you

1756
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:18,620
know like orbs or pulsing red and green

1757
01:14:22,780 --> 01:14:21,290
lights it mentioned the green object

1758
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:22,790
that was acting like the recon above

1759
01:14:26,580 --> 01:14:25,370
with the planes and helicopters circling

1760
01:14:29,229 --> 01:14:26,590
around

1761
01:14:30,910 --> 01:14:29,239
and then it mentioned how it led off

1762
01:14:32,770 --> 01:14:30,920
this green light which then got planes

1763
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:32,780
to fall in the northwest lis direction

1764
01:14:38,710 --> 01:14:36,110
and then it mentioned the explosions it

1765
01:14:40,930 --> 01:14:38,720
mentioned just about you know everything

1766
01:14:44,490 --> 01:14:40,940
that I learned in October November

1767
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:44,500
onwards piecing this this case together

1768
01:14:50,460 --> 01:14:47,090
that person already had in a comment on

1769
01:14:54,580 --> 01:14:50,470
March the 6th or you know Brownback time

1770
01:14:55,930 --> 01:14:54,590
2016 how could that person know that you

1771
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:55,940
know if they weren't there to see it you

1772
01:15:00,160 --> 01:14:57,410
had to have people to see that to make

1773
01:15:02,350 --> 01:15:00,170
that much detail do you mean mm-hmm

1774
01:15:04,810 --> 01:15:02,360
yeah so I think that's a potential third

1775
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,820
witness but I mean I don't know if this

1776
01:15:08,050 --> 01:15:06,080
person will ever come forward

1777
01:15:10,090 --> 01:15:08,060
it sounds like they don't want to and

1778
01:15:13,090 --> 01:15:10,100
they never will I know that there was

1779
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:13,100
someone else I was making comments on

1780
01:15:17,860 --> 01:15:15,530
them she was making comments on the

1781
01:15:20,050 --> 01:15:17,870
website I think it was called wave 101 I

1782
01:15:23,860 --> 01:15:20,060
can't remember off the top my head but

1783
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:23,870
they said and get this but they saw some

1784
01:15:29,530 --> 01:15:26,870
green objects around the levant rested

1785
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:29,540
area right where the sit would have gone

1786
01:15:33,820 --> 01:15:32,210
but it was being chased by a military

1787
01:15:36,190 --> 01:15:33,830
helicopter and then miss Miller this

1788
01:15:38,530 --> 01:15:36,200
this military caught helicopter opened

1789
01:15:40,270 --> 01:15:38,540
fire on it that was the comment I

1790
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:40,280
haven't been able to confirm that a

1791
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:43,010
hundred percent but it definitely fits

1792
01:15:46,330 --> 01:15:44,450
the timeline I've been able to establish

1793
01:15:49,090 --> 01:15:46,340
with all the events and witnesses I've

1794
01:15:51,220 --> 01:15:49,100
spoken to you know it definitely seems

1795
01:15:52,780 --> 01:15:51,230
that they shot at something and it leads

1796
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:52,790
me to believe it's this green object

1797
01:15:56,260 --> 01:15:54,530
that they shot out you know which was

1798
01:15:57,700 --> 01:15:56,270
the cause of these loud explosions and

1799
01:16:00,250 --> 01:15:57,710
things crashing through the trees and

1800
01:16:02,140 --> 01:16:00,260
smile awkward so you know there's other

1801
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:02,150
things like that which I would really

1802
01:16:08,710 --> 01:16:06,610
like to piece together one day yeah so

1803
01:16:10,180 --> 01:16:08,720
what is the current state of the

1804
01:16:11,740 --> 01:16:10,190
investigation and what what you're

1805
01:16:15,220 --> 01:16:11,750
planning to well this week I'm getting

1806
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:15,230
ready to or tomorrow in fact but I then

1807
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:18,290
you know I don't think it's tomorrow in

1808
01:16:23,020 --> 01:16:20,810
fact that the pen in pen to look at the

1809
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:23,030
Lewis arms me and krauser doing a

1810
01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:26,480
presentation night updated the updates

1811
01:16:33,250 --> 01:16:29,470
because tomorrow tomorrow is three years

1812
01:16:36,370 --> 01:16:33,260
that's why it's been Dharma day and the

1813
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:36,380
people have been kind enough to Linus

1814
01:16:40,150 --> 01:16:38,719
they're one of their rooms so we will be

1815
01:16:42,190 --> 01:16:40,160
presenting

1816
01:16:47,130 --> 01:16:42,200
a lot of updated information mostly to

1817
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:47,140
do with b-raf and the South Wales police

1818
01:16:52,210 --> 01:16:49,850
mo D responses how it ties in very

1819
01:16:54,370 --> 01:16:52,220
nicely with all the other stuff that

1820
01:16:58,060 --> 01:16:54,380
we've been able to put together and of

1821
01:17:01,380 --> 01:16:58,070
course there'll be some videos to show

1822
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:01,390
and I know Ben Ellman is coming down

1823
01:17:06,940 --> 01:17:04,250
he's coming to see he's going to be

1824
01:17:08,650 --> 01:17:06,950
saying some things as well so it's gonna

1825
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:08,660
be a good night it'll just help us

1826
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:10,850
solidify the case a lot more you know

1827
01:17:20,110 --> 01:17:16,930
that soap that lace up that one of these

1828
01:17:22,330 --> 01:17:20,120
possibly the third or maybe even a four

1829
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:22,340
off witness actually turns up tomorrow

1830
01:17:26,290 --> 01:17:24,650
night and joins you know sitting in the

1831
01:17:28,450 --> 01:17:26,300
audience listens to what you have to say

1832
01:17:33,250 --> 01:17:28,460
and then brings them settle for words we

1833
01:17:34,570 --> 01:17:33,260
can actually look at it on camera or you

1834
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:34,580
know take pictures I mean but if they

1835
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:37,610
wanna give something down written

1836
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:39,170
statement or something you know I mean

1837
01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:42,170
at least I can meet the person who made

1838
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:44,270
that comment but I mean there's other

1839
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:45,410
things as well and when you talk about

1840
01:17:49,780 --> 01:17:47,330
witnesses they didn't witness the actual

1841
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:49,790
event but they were witnesses to other

1842
01:17:54,910 --> 01:17:52,880
things as well like for instance when

1843
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:54,920
the Sun came up on the 26th of February

1844
01:17:59,980 --> 01:17:58,640
2016 calves and her friends neighbors

1845
01:18:04,090 --> 01:17:59,990
all went over to the field where the

1846
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:04,100
hand of lightning area it happened and

1847
01:18:08,590 --> 01:18:07,280
you know Donna and Steve are witnesses

1848
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:08,600
to this they said that it was very

1849
01:18:12,910 --> 01:18:11,210
strange that they got into that area in

1850
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:12,920
that area alone and suddenly it was like

1851
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:16,490
snowing very strange pallets of you know

1852
01:18:21,190 --> 01:18:19,250
snow and they were like those are

1853
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:21,200
pallets you find in bean bags almost

1854
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:24,050
polished by Mary balls and if they they

1855
01:18:26,740 --> 01:18:25,520
were I don't know if they said they were

1856
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:26,750
cold they were cold but they wouldn't

1857
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:29,210
melt like traditional snow a little more

1858
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:30,320
like marshmallowy

1859
01:18:35,170 --> 01:18:31,910
you know I'd sort of like you know

1860
01:18:37,930 --> 01:18:35,180
spongy kind of texture to it yeah and

1861
01:18:39,490 --> 01:18:37,940
you know they said that yeah there was

1862
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:39,500
something very strange about that

1863
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:43,250
because this area you know it's got weed

1864
01:18:48,910 --> 01:18:46,130
snake weed grass in it but this one area

1865
01:18:52,330 --> 01:18:48,920
it carved a unique

1866
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:52,340
almost all like shaped patch it's more

1867
01:18:57,970 --> 01:18:54,410
circular but it's all shaped

1868
01:18:59,320 --> 01:18:57,980
where you know it's that the grass is

1869
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:59,330
only now just started to grow back but

1870
01:19:03,459 --> 01:19:01,040
it was like everything else is covering

1871
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:03,469
we the snakeweed grass and this one area

1872
01:19:07,150 --> 01:19:04,850
where this hand of lightning came down

1873
01:19:09,390 --> 01:19:07,160
it shows that you know something somehow

1874
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:09,400
intense energy of some kind

1875
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:12,710
affected this area no they also

1876
01:19:17,890 --> 01:19:15,830
opportunist my Lockwood and they found

1877
01:19:20,260 --> 01:19:17,900
that impact site and interestingly Steve

1878
01:19:23,170 --> 01:19:20,270
brought his camera and he was able to

1879
01:19:24,940 --> 01:19:23,180
video take this rather strange snow and

1880
01:19:26,740 --> 01:19:24,950
it was coming down like a blizzard you

1881
01:19:29,650 --> 01:19:26,750
know in this one area nothing no one

1882
01:19:33,070 --> 01:19:29,660
else just in that one area sweeper to

1883
01:19:35,770 --> 01:19:33,080
areas where the strange snow weather

1884
01:19:37,300 --> 01:19:35,780
like conditions are taking place and in

1885
01:19:40,420 --> 01:19:37,310
two areas where the military have been

1886
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,430
very active and this unusual object has

1887
01:19:46,690 --> 01:19:43,040
been very active as well so but itself

1888
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:46,700
again is just to me more evidence that

1889
01:19:54,490 --> 01:19:48,650
something very unusual was taking place

1890
01:19:57,670 --> 01:19:54,500
yeah yeah can i what just imagine that

1891
01:20:00,160 --> 01:19:57,680
this third or possibly fourth witness

1892
01:20:03,180 --> 01:20:00,170
listening to you now while this is going

1893
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:03,190
out which will actually be the day after

1894
01:20:08,620 --> 01:20:06,550
you present you know the latest findings

1895
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:08,630
you know this is screwing out this

1896
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:10,370
coming wednesday if we're recording this

1897
01:20:14,830 --> 01:20:13,040
on the monday and if that person was

1898
01:20:16,630 --> 01:20:14,840
listening to you now what would he want

1899
01:20:18,490 --> 01:20:16,640
to say to him and would you give him you

1900
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:18,500
know an email or something like that

1901
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,050
where it can contact you yeah gladly

1902
01:20:28,540 --> 01:20:26,000
give them my contact details just for

1903
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:28,550
them to contact me anonymously I mean if

1904
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:30,410
they are listening I would just like

1905
01:20:34,810 --> 01:20:32,330
them to know that I do treat everyone

1906
01:20:37,930 --> 01:20:34,820
with the strictest of confidence they

1907
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:37,940
can meet me somewhere private you know

1908
01:20:42,700 --> 01:20:40,130
away from prying eyes they can name the

1909
01:20:44,410 --> 01:20:42,710
location where they feel safe and I

1910
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:44,420
won't give out anything that they don't

1911
01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:47,570
want me to but if they do want to speak

1912
01:20:52,630 --> 01:20:49,670
you know I'm I've been on this now for

1913
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:52,640
over a year and a half and you know it's

1914
01:20:55,930 --> 01:20:54,050
turned me from a skeptic into a believer

1915
01:20:58,270 --> 01:20:55,940
on this because I didn't believe the

1916
01:21:00,640 --> 01:20:58,280
story in the end I thought I thought at

1917
01:21:02,500 --> 01:21:00,650
one point I was really interested in it

1918
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:02,510
then as time went on I just sort of

1919
01:21:06,220 --> 01:21:03,890
thought now this is got to be made up

1920
01:21:07,810 --> 01:21:06,230
and I'm just like very skeptical if

1921
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:07,820
anyone who said it was but then when I

1922
01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:10,010
got involved in investigating it for

1923
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:11,329
myself again because I finally found

1924
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:14,329
Cass Clark and the other witnesses was

1925
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:17,840
sooo fond it turned me into a it took me

1926
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:21,199
into a true believer you know it did

1927
01:21:24,010 --> 01:21:22,070
actually happen

1928
01:21:27,010 --> 01:21:24,020
you know I went out with my own research

1929
01:21:29,379 --> 01:21:27,020
so if these and I treatin a trick I've

1930
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:29,389
treated the other guy Dave with the

1931
01:21:32,830 --> 01:21:31,130
strictest of confidence nobody knows who

1932
01:21:36,010 --> 01:21:32,840
he is unless we want unless he wants us

1933
01:21:37,419 --> 01:21:36,020
to let other people know yeah they're

1934
01:21:39,580 --> 01:21:37,429
listening as well this third and fourth

1935
01:21:41,169 --> 01:21:39,590
witness that we've just talked about you

1936
01:21:44,350 --> 01:21:41,179
know you can get in contact with me via

1937
01:21:47,260 --> 01:21:44,360
remap he'll know if they want to give

1938
01:21:50,169 --> 01:21:47,270
anything up now that but you know I am

1939
01:21:52,839 --> 01:21:50,179
on Facebook well if they want if they

1940
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:52,849
want to look you up on Facebook Gary

1941
01:21:59,800 --> 01:21:57,770
Jones ger i Gary Jones and alternatively

1942
01:22:06,580 --> 01:21:59,810
they can look for the inside our limits

1943
01:22:09,850 --> 01:22:06,590
Facebook page and send me a message so

1944
01:22:11,140 --> 01:22:09,860
we do know that I would treat them with

1945
01:22:12,339 --> 01:22:11,150
the strictest of confidence and I

1946
01:22:14,740 --> 01:22:12,349
wouldn't make fun of them or anything

1947
01:22:15,879 --> 01:22:14,750
you know I'm I'm in this now for the you

1948
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:15,889
know for the full on for the full

1949
01:22:21,010 --> 01:22:19,489
duration because it's obviously starting

1950
01:22:23,379 --> 01:22:21,020
to get people in positions of power

1951
01:22:26,830 --> 01:22:23,389
worries so you know you better be aware

1952
01:22:28,990 --> 01:22:26,840
of that but you know I mean look you

1953
01:22:30,580 --> 01:22:29,000
know if it's if you really want to talk

1954
01:22:32,620 --> 01:22:30,590
if you really want to speak to us me and

1955
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:32,630
Cass Clark are waiting waiting to hear

1956
01:22:36,490 --> 01:22:34,880
from me you know the people who know may

1957
01:22:38,620 --> 01:22:36,500
have seen the green object being fired

1958
01:22:40,450 --> 01:22:38,630
out or who was walking on blocked in the

1959
01:22:42,069 --> 01:22:40,460
koi broad that night and saw the main

1960
01:22:44,859 --> 01:22:42,079
craft and stuff so that's what I'll say

1961
01:22:47,229 --> 01:22:44,869
to them that's brilliant

1962
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:47,239
so because we're slowly but surely

1963
01:22:52,060 --> 01:22:49,040
beginning to run out of time we've got

1964
01:22:53,979 --> 01:22:52,070
about 35 minutes left now and the

1965
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:53,989
investigation is still ongoing with the

1966
01:22:58,030 --> 01:22:55,250
the paint tree yeah

1967
01:23:00,339 --> 01:22:58,040
the incident there but I do know that

1968
01:23:03,609 --> 01:23:00,349
during that the investigation to this

1969
01:23:07,569 --> 01:23:03,619
incident you travel to North Wales with

1970
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:07,579
Sylvia now this one's a UFO network to

1971
01:23:11,979 --> 01:23:08,960
interview a number of people who had

1972
01:23:14,260 --> 01:23:11,989
been involved with ufology and at the

1973
01:23:16,030 --> 01:23:14,270
end of the trip you visited a family in

1974
01:23:17,890 --> 01:23:16,040
Denby in Norway yes

1975
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,900
want to tell us about this Karen yeah

1976
01:23:21,879 --> 01:23:20,000
this was only this was a nice surprise

1977
01:23:24,189 --> 01:23:21,889
actually it was a very

1978
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:24,199
was a very intriguing case from the

1979
01:23:29,470 --> 01:23:26,960
moment I first met them we had gone to

1980
01:23:32,350 --> 01:23:29,480
see a number of prominent researchers

1981
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:32,360
like one of them's Gary row one of

1982
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:33,710
them's Margaret fry the other words

1983
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:36,170
scoff thousand and works pretty much on

1984
01:23:39,729 --> 01:23:37,489
the bear when mountain case he's done

1985
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:39,739
other cases too I'm and somewhere along

1986
01:23:44,620 --> 01:23:42,530
the way we we met this on our way our

1987
01:23:47,890 --> 01:23:44,630
last trip we met this family from Debbie

1988
01:23:51,129 --> 01:23:47,900
and I don't think don't mind me giving

1989
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:51,139
their names now from there so forth you

1990
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:53,449
could you you can use anonymously or you

1991
01:23:58,209 --> 01:23:55,310
can you know you can give aliases if you

1992
01:24:02,770 --> 01:23:58,219
wish know that I won't say it now then

1993
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:02,780
um but yeah this family of four there's

1994
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:04,760
a mother well I don't think they mind

1995
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:06,850
there's the mother Linda Pritchard

1996
01:24:13,890 --> 01:24:10,449
brothers Nathan and Alex Thomas and

1997
01:24:20,010 --> 01:24:13,900
granddaughter and niece Kyra Lee George

1998
01:24:28,450 --> 01:24:22,629
what happened was is that on the 3rd of

1999
01:24:31,180 --> 01:24:28,460
January 2012 sometime after 3:00 a.m. it

2000
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,190
was a very stormy windy night and Nathan

2001
01:24:36,729 --> 01:24:33,920
who was like 12 or I think he was 12 at

2002
01:24:38,020 --> 01:24:36,739
the time looked outside because he you

2003
01:24:39,459 --> 01:24:38,030
know it's been at blowing although

2004
01:24:41,859 --> 01:24:39,469
that's what he concurred the noise came

2005
01:24:44,020 --> 01:24:41,869
from the wind was very strong that

2006
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:44,030
nameless blue has been over but as he

2007
01:24:46,959 --> 01:24:45,380
looked out the window he could see

2008
01:24:49,660 --> 01:24:46,969
something shining in the distance--and

2009
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,670
as he he looked you know he thought is

2010
01:24:53,229 --> 01:24:51,199
like a reflection on his window you know

2011
01:24:54,729 --> 01:24:53,239
a light source from his room and he

2012
01:24:56,050 --> 01:24:54,739
confirmed that it was and and then he

2013
01:25:00,100 --> 01:24:56,060
realized that he was looking at

2014
01:25:01,810 --> 01:25:00,110
something very very it usual and he got

2015
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:01,820
very excited about it and then he got

2016
01:25:08,109 --> 01:25:06,320
his brother Alex involved who was trying

2017
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:08,119
to get asleep by the time but then he he

2018
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:09,290
told his brother there's something very

2019
01:25:15,340 --> 01:25:11,690
strange come see this and then they were

2020
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:15,350
looking at it and then some point they

2021
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:18,320
were filming it and you can see in the

2022
01:25:23,709 --> 01:25:20,110
actual video what they were looking at

2023
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:23,719
and then moments later the mother Linda

2024
01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:26,719
Prichard came in and then Kyra came to

2025
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:29,510
join them and the four of them for about

2026
01:25:34,359 --> 01:25:32,239
12 minutes and they've recorded about

2027
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:34,369
nine minutes of footage this very

2028
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:35,690
strange and usual

2029
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:38,810
flashing side of lights which booms in a

2030
01:25:44,860 --> 01:25:43,040
circular platen flashing on and off what

2031
01:25:46,210 --> 01:25:44,870
appears to be a disc shaped object you

2032
01:25:48,580 --> 01:25:46,220
know you don't actually see the object

2033
01:25:50,530 --> 01:25:48,590
itself but you can tell by the lights

2034
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:50,540
that it has to be a disc sort of shaped

2035
01:25:56,250 --> 01:25:53,780
object the lights these lights flashing

2036
01:25:58,900 --> 01:25:56,260
in a very unusual way they don't seem to

2037
01:26:02,710 --> 01:25:58,910
they don't seem to have beans coming off

2038
01:26:05,380 --> 01:26:02,720
them they don't seem to have any sort of

2039
01:26:06,850 --> 01:26:05,390
like permanent flashes like you'd see on

2040
01:26:08,650 --> 01:26:06,860
a plane where you can sort of you know

2041
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:08,660
figure out the pattern of the flashes

2042
01:26:17,170 --> 01:26:13,850
it's it's a very very unusual thing to

2043
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:17,180
be looking at and I've since been up to

2044
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:19,250
see them again I said that I would look

2045
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:20,690
into this further because I really want

2046
01:26:24,510 --> 01:26:21,770
to look into this because you've got

2047
01:26:28,030 --> 01:26:24,520
four witnesses and video evidence and

2048
01:26:29,740 --> 01:26:28,040
location of sighting all which I've now

2049
01:26:34,540 --> 01:26:29,750
looked at and you know it's a very

2050
01:26:36,970 --> 01:26:34,550
strong case it is something of a UFO

2051
01:26:39,970 --> 01:26:36,980
nature an unidentified aerial phenomena

2052
01:26:41,980 --> 01:26:39,980
if you will and yeah I mean I met the

2053
01:26:44,380 --> 01:26:41,990
family the first time and I said I would

2054
01:26:47,650 --> 01:26:44,390
look into it and now I've been able to

2055
01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:47,660
interview them the researcher who got

2056
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:50,150
involved we at the time Peter Glynn and

2057
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:53,330
I've since done quite a lot of them work

2058
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:55,490
research you know just trying to find

2059
01:26:59,170 --> 01:26:57,050
out some other information to strengthen

2060
01:27:01,300 --> 01:26:59,180
the case up a bit and it's clear to me

2061
01:27:04,210 --> 01:27:01,310
that whatever this thing is it's not

2062
01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:04,220
it's not natural phenomena it's not

2063
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:06,260
something man-made that was flying that

2064
01:27:09,610 --> 01:27:07,310
night it's not something that people

2065
01:27:11,650 --> 01:27:09,620
would be doing it's clearly something

2066
01:27:17,470 --> 01:27:11,660
that you know you consider UFO or

2067
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:17,480
paranormal very interesting so you've

2068
01:27:21,550 --> 01:27:19,100
been to interviewed the people involved

2069
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:21,560
and you travel the area along you know

2070
01:27:26,980 --> 01:27:22,850
look and you've looked online for

2071
01:27:28,510 --> 01:27:26,990
information and you if there anybody

2072
01:27:30,670 --> 01:27:28,520
else looking into this at all you know

2073
01:27:32,590 --> 01:27:30,680
other than yourself it the only persons

2074
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:32,600
give me a little bit of a hand lately is

2075
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:39,440
Jase Jason Gleaves was at UF only video

2076
01:27:46,180 --> 01:27:42,530
actually to be honest I was looking for

2077
01:27:49,419 --> 01:27:46,190
someone to to actually analyze the video

2078
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:49,429
no I've got someone else waiting on

2079
01:27:55,899 --> 01:27:54,710
to give me to give me some analysis but

2080
01:28:00,370 --> 01:27:55,909
at the minute that doesn't seem to be

2081
01:28:03,010 --> 01:28:00,380
coming anywhere and I've actually done

2082
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:03,020
some articles in UFO truth magazine your

2083
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:04,370
Gary Heseltine sir

2084
01:28:11,410 --> 01:28:07,730
okay sure yeah he's actually taken an

2085
01:28:13,870 --> 01:28:11,420
interest in it but I'm currently waiting

2086
01:28:15,250 --> 01:28:13,880
on a video analysis from from his side

2087
01:28:18,010 --> 01:28:15,260
of it but I haven't had anything back

2088
01:28:19,180 --> 01:28:18,020
yet but I got I thought it would be

2089
01:28:20,919 --> 01:28:19,190
interested if I could guess someone of

2090
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:20,929
my own to maybe look at it and Jason

2091
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:22,850
Gleaves name came up from Toni topping

2092
01:28:26,169 --> 01:28:24,800
and one or two other people and I

2093
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:26,179
thought well okay let's take a look and

2094
01:28:30,459 --> 01:28:28,310
yeah he was great you know he came along

2095
01:28:32,260 --> 01:28:30,469
I look at the video for me and he

2096
01:28:34,750 --> 01:28:32,270
confirms that it's some circular disc

2097
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:34,760
shaped object and that it's unexplained

2098
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:38,570
you can't you cannot say that it's

2099
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:40,330
anything natural or man-made or

2100
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,370
something that we have because it just

2101
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:45,280
doesn't fit the evidence that I've got

2102
01:28:53,709 --> 01:28:51,409
as far as I know no I think mention that

2103
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:53,719
that incident okay

2104
01:28:58,090 --> 01:28:55,840
I think Jason's mentioned the incident

2105
01:29:02,950 --> 01:28:58,100
yes because he's just recently put a

2106
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:02,960
video report on it yeah and have you not

2107
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:06,170
also got photographs in daylight you

2108
01:29:11,890 --> 01:29:10,159
know from the same location yeah and and

2109
01:29:14,020 --> 01:29:11,900
I'm sure I've seen this and and of

2110
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:14,030
course where you look over beyond the

2111
01:29:18,459 --> 01:29:16,370
buildings where this thing was there is

2112
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:18,469
nothing there that would account for it

2113
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:22,239
no there's no buildings there's no

2114
01:29:28,630 --> 01:29:26,719
towers no Rachel ZAR yeah yeah yeah

2115
01:29:32,350 --> 01:29:28,640
little roads for cars to drive around

2116
01:29:34,450 --> 01:29:32,360
that's right yeah fascinating well I

2117
01:29:36,459 --> 01:29:34,460
mean let me just you know I just want to

2118
01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:36,469
bring something up in someone to

2119
01:29:41,860 --> 01:29:39,320
everyone's attention yeah I mean I've

2120
01:29:43,959 --> 01:29:41,870
looked at the usual explanations and to

2121
01:29:47,950 --> 01:29:43,969
see if there's any reason that might

2122
01:29:49,330 --> 01:29:47,960
explain what we're looking at and I mean

2123
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:49,340
when you actually I'm pretty I'm

2124
01:29:52,959 --> 01:29:51,230
actually in the process of editing the

2125
01:29:53,919 --> 01:29:52,969
video now getting ready for it to be

2126
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:53,929
released to the public

2127
01:29:56,649 --> 01:29:55,010
you know I'm hopefully going to have it

2128
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:56,659
up on end of next week you know it's a

2129
01:30:01,649 --> 01:29:58,639
lot of work to video edits or something

2130
01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:01,659
like this but I understand

2131
01:30:12,270 --> 01:30:07,169
a few minutes of video takes like hours

2132
01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:12,280
but yeah I mean I had my headphones on

2133
01:30:15,239 --> 01:30:13,780
this video because I'm travelling since

2134
01:30:16,799 --> 01:30:15,249
we won't Kathy and you can't hear the

2135
01:30:18,689 --> 01:30:16,809
wind in the background and if you look

2136
01:30:20,279 --> 01:30:18,699
at some of the lamb the street lights

2137
01:30:22,529 --> 01:30:20,289
you know lampposts you can see that the

2138
01:30:26,819 --> 01:30:22,539
ring is actually you know it is there

2139
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:26,829
so I've ruled out people being up the

2140
01:30:32,969 --> 01:30:29,679
fields with fireworks or lamps or

2141
01:30:35,069 --> 01:30:32,979
hunters or Ramblers anything of a claim

2142
01:30:37,169 --> 01:30:35,079
because I'd always be daft enough to be

2143
01:30:38,939 --> 01:30:37,179
out there at 3 a.m. in the morning in

2144
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:38,949
that freezing cold weather with the rain

2145
01:30:43,169 --> 01:30:41,679
and wind in their face yeah better

2146
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:43,179
things to do we have everything goes

2147
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:44,650
inside a can in the hills yeah I

2148
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:46,510
remember some of the usual explanations

2149
01:30:49,859 --> 01:30:48,159
it's not a plane or a helicopter it's

2150
01:30:52,949 --> 01:30:49,869
just too low there's no sound coming

2151
01:30:54,959 --> 01:30:52,959
from it the police have actually were

2152
01:30:56,339 --> 01:30:54,969
contacted not long after this event they

2153
01:30:59,040 --> 01:30:56,349
confirm that their know their

2154
01:31:01,949 --> 01:30:59,050
helicopters are out at least it's not

2155
01:31:04,919 --> 01:31:01,959
fireworks it's not cars driving around

2156
01:31:06,750 --> 01:31:04,929
in a circle it's not electrical arcing

2157
01:31:09,390 --> 01:31:06,760
of wires it's not nice Philippa said

2158
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:09,400
buildings with lights or anything of

2159
01:31:13,979 --> 01:31:11,199
that nature so by process of elimination

2160
01:31:15,509 --> 01:31:13,989
it only has to be one other thing but it

2161
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:15,519
has to be something and natural and

2162
01:31:23,179 --> 01:31:18,130
unnatural bina and I know a UFO an

2163
01:31:25,469 --> 01:31:23,189
unidentified aerial phenomena so I mean

2164
01:31:27,089 --> 01:31:25,479
you know our people I mean the only

2165
01:31:31,459 --> 01:31:27,099
other thing I've seen very close to it

2166
01:31:33,689 --> 01:31:31,469
is it could be a tractor with a farmer

2167
01:31:35,850 --> 01:31:33,699
like score on it but then he would have

2168
01:31:38,069 --> 01:31:35,860
to be you know he doesn't work that

2169
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:38,079
early I've been told I looked into that

2170
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:39,760
he doesn't work early I was in the

2171
01:31:43,109 --> 01:31:42,010
morning usually comes up at sunset or

2172
01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:43,119
just a sorry

2173
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:46,030
sunrise you know he doesn't work in the

2174
01:31:51,659 --> 01:31:50,050
early hours for other nights and I mean

2175
01:31:53,159 --> 01:31:51,669
this this this object you know and I'm

2176
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:53,169
gonna be releasing the full video you

2177
01:31:56,909 --> 01:31:54,610
know everybody's gonna see this and

2178
01:32:00,689 --> 01:31:56,919
you're gonna see the lights of circling

2179
01:32:02,939 --> 01:32:00,699
and it does actually tilt up on a 45

2180
01:32:05,609 --> 01:32:02,949
degree angle it's hovering in the air

2181
01:32:09,810 --> 01:32:05,619
and it tilts on itself to a 45 degree

2182
01:32:12,750 --> 01:32:09,820
angle so I mean how is it able to do

2183
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:12,760
that you know it's an object it is an

2184
01:32:15,299 --> 01:32:14,649
object of some kind I reckon and it's

2185
01:32:18,629 --> 01:32:15,309
move

2186
01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:18,639
on its own energy source it's tilting

2187
01:32:23,909 --> 01:32:20,649
and moving you know I've been down that

2188
01:32:25,859 --> 01:32:23,919
I mean I mean at one point the lights

2189
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:25,869
are very deep spectacular on it you know

2190
01:32:30,419 --> 01:32:28,030
there's no distinct pattern to it but

2191
01:32:32,369 --> 01:32:30,429
there is clearly something generating

2192
01:32:34,699 --> 01:32:32,379
its own energy source hovering in the

2193
01:32:37,619 --> 01:32:34,709
sky not too far from where they are and

2194
01:32:39,719 --> 01:32:37,629
you know there's a brilliant 8 milli

2195
01:32:41,639 --> 01:32:39,729
nine minutes of video footage of it I

2196
01:32:43,770 --> 01:32:41,649
mean I can't sit him on that and the

2197
01:32:46,619 --> 01:32:43,780
family have been very open with me

2198
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:46,629
they've lived in this area a long time

2199
01:32:50,219 --> 01:32:48,489
you know they're adamant that what they

2200
01:32:52,259 --> 01:32:50,229
saw that night was not a natural

2201
01:32:55,109 --> 01:32:52,269
phenomenon anything that occurs

2202
01:32:57,599 --> 01:32:55,119
naturally or normally in that area they

2203
01:32:59,069 --> 01:32:57,609
should know the area though but to this

2204
01:33:00,929 --> 01:32:59,079
day you know it's changed they've

2205
01:33:02,579 --> 01:33:00,939
exchanged their lives if they're still

2206
01:33:05,219 --> 01:33:02,589
excited about it now you know even to

2207
01:33:06,829 --> 01:33:05,229
this day it still affects let me now say

2208
01:33:09,839 --> 01:33:06,839
what was it I want to see it again and

2209
01:33:12,569 --> 01:33:09,849
it was amazing and know how it is if you

2210
01:33:17,209 --> 01:33:12,579
get something like that then you know I

2211
01:33:19,529 --> 01:33:17,219
guess you know when we when we've had

2212
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:19,539
experiences this is something that I'm

2213
01:33:25,139 --> 01:33:22,719
you know I mean have a a couple of very

2214
01:33:27,869 --> 01:33:25,149
very small sightings in my time one back

2215
01:33:29,849 --> 01:33:27,879
in 74 and another one in the

2216
01:33:32,069 --> 01:33:29,859
mid-nineteen dances and I'm still

2217
01:33:34,619 --> 01:33:32,079
wanting to see something else it's

2218
01:33:36,359 --> 01:33:34,629
something that once you've seen it kind

2219
01:33:39,629 --> 01:33:36,369
of attracts you and pulls you towards it

2220
01:33:42,750 --> 01:33:39,639
you want to experience it again now this

2221
01:33:45,329 --> 01:33:42,760
video footage are you saying you're open

2222
01:33:47,909 --> 01:33:45,339
to release it next week do you have a a

2223
01:33:51,329 --> 01:33:47,919
dedicated online YouTube site or they

2224
01:33:53,939 --> 01:33:51,339
went through Facebook I do have a page

2225
01:33:57,389 --> 01:33:53,949
on Vimeo actually I don't know a YouTube

2226
01:34:00,750 --> 01:33:57,399
page right now but I mean if you if you

2227
01:34:08,129 --> 01:34:00,760
ever want to put on your limits magazine

2228
01:34:09,929 --> 01:34:08,139
maybe you give it - I'm doing just - I'm

2229
01:34:13,139 --> 01:34:09,939
trying to get as much information to it

2230
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:13,149
as possible so you know all areas are

2231
01:34:17,459 --> 01:34:15,760
covered I don't really want to know I I

2232
01:34:19,259 --> 01:34:17,469
don't think I mean maybe there'll be a

2233
01:34:21,629 --> 01:34:19,269
part two to it I don't know but

2234
01:34:23,309 --> 01:34:21,639
everything I've got right now I'm trying

2235
01:34:25,169 --> 01:34:23,319
to put in but I don't to make it too

2236
01:34:26,449 --> 01:34:25,179
long but I'd want to make it too short

2237
01:34:29,130 --> 01:34:26,459
you know I want to make sure that people

2238
01:34:30,570 --> 01:34:29,140
people get the full full appreciate

2239
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:30,580
of my efforts and what this video

2240
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:33,280
actually means because so many of so

2241
01:34:38,460 --> 01:34:36,730
many people are actually I was the word

2242
01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:38,470
skeptical you know where's the footage

2243
01:34:42,330 --> 01:34:40,390
where's the footage well haha you know

2244
01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:42,340
I've got some footage you know on the

2245
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:43,750
family have been very brilliant towards

2246
01:34:48,810 --> 01:34:46,770
that you know kudos for them yell

2247
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:48,820
tremendous work for actually getting it

2248
01:34:52,770 --> 01:34:50,770
you know in a time when they were really

2249
01:34:54,990 --> 01:34:52,780
you know inspired and amazed by what

2250
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:55,000
they were seeing our name yeah

2251
01:34:59,670 --> 01:34:56,080
absolutely

2252
01:35:01,740 --> 01:34:59,680
so what your to do that you're going to

2253
01:35:03,660 --> 01:35:01,750
send that to me directly so I can put it

2254
01:35:05,370 --> 01:35:03,670
in the magazine or you know I can always

2255
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:05,380
add it to the inside out limits Facebook

2256
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:07,570
page as well well you know I'll probably

2257
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:09,970
open up a YouTube page or put it on one

2258
01:35:14,220 --> 01:35:12,490
of my am I think i've got a video page

2259
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:14,230
on video I might stick it on there but

2260
01:35:23,730 --> 01:35:17,890
YouTube once you do Gary thank you send

2261
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:23,740
me the details I'll make sure goes on in

2262
01:35:31,170 --> 01:35:25,690
this this there's we transfer is it on

2263
01:35:35,490 --> 01:35:31,180
my file transfer buddy that's a good way

2264
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:35,500
of sending large files absolutely make

2265
01:35:39,150 --> 01:35:37,090
it so the families will be seeing it

2266
01:35:40,590 --> 01:35:39,160
first before it goes off because I'm

2267
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:40,600
sure that they're happy with everything

2268
01:35:45,420 --> 01:35:43,450
that you know not know sort of certain

2269
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:45,430
details don't get out or things like

2270
01:35:50,010 --> 01:35:48,880
that but yeah I mean I'm hopefully I'm

2271
01:35:51,630 --> 01:35:50,020
not saying the four hundred percent

2272
01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:51,640
hopefully by the end of next week I'll

2273
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:53,590
have something because like I said it's

2274
01:35:57,690 --> 01:35:55,930
the video editing is a nightmare to do

2275
01:35:59,400 --> 01:35:57,700
you know you said you computer for hours

2276
01:36:02,310 --> 01:35:59,410
on and just trying to get a few minutes

2277
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:02,320
together just say what you're thinking

2278
01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:04,810
Gary's appearing in main us because I've

2279
01:36:13,770 --> 01:36:09,880
done it myself anything you wanna

2280
01:36:16,350 --> 01:36:13,780
Westfield no I know Jess and leaves

2281
01:36:19,530 --> 01:36:16,360
mentioned it to me because up later in

2282
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:19,540
the year I'm publishing Jason's second

2283
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:21,730
book published he's only won last year

2284
01:36:27,810 --> 01:36:24,730
UFO photos the next one that's coming

2285
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:27,820
out is called the the UFO umbrella Close

2286
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:31,840
Encounters are not enough and it did

2287
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:35,110
mention it and and I'm you know just

2288
01:36:41,190 --> 01:36:37,690
little bits not not in any great detail

2289
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:41,200
like Gary's just going to and you know

2290
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:42,610
I'd love to see the video

2291
01:36:47,820 --> 01:36:44,320
forward seeing an augury just sound

2292
01:36:50,340 --> 01:36:47,830
fascinating it's um yeah I'm pretty sure

2293
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:50,350
Jason said that got the daylight

2294
01:36:55,890 --> 01:36:53,920
photographs of the area yeah yeah and

2295
01:36:59,340 --> 01:36:55,900
then there was nothing there that could

2296
01:37:02,010 --> 01:36:59,350
you know explain it away in that respect

2297
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:02,020
and like you said you know I don't

2298
01:37:06,630 --> 01:37:04,210
farmers are workaholics because because

2299
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:06,640
they have to be but at 3 o'clock in the

2300
01:37:10,770 --> 01:37:08,650
morning when it's well when the winds

2301
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:10,780
howling and there's no there's no no

2302
01:37:16,260 --> 01:37:13,690
need for it's unlikely I think extremely

2303
01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:16,270
unlikely and normally that the locals

2304
01:37:21,780 --> 01:37:19,780
are used to it you know there no it's I

2305
01:37:23,340 --> 01:37:21,790
don't take any no it's a tie its own so

2306
01:37:25,380 --> 01:37:23,350
he's at it again you know I mean I've

2307
01:37:29,730 --> 01:37:25,390
told him not to be up so early or Soleil

2308
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:29,740
or whatever you know it's like in the

2309
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:31,030
early word island we have nothing like

2310
01:37:34,830 --> 01:37:32,950
that but we have a railway line not far

2311
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:34,840
away and every now and again any other

2312
01:37:38,610 --> 01:37:36,610
little rumble in the background you know

2313
01:37:43,050 --> 01:37:38,620
it's the train so you know you just get

2314
01:37:44,340 --> 01:37:43,060
used to your own surroundings and I look

2315
01:37:44,670 --> 01:37:44,350
forward to seeing it that's all I can

2316
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:44,680
say

2317
01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:48,850
oh yeah a public soon anyway I'm just I

2318
01:37:52,260 --> 01:37:50,590
just want to get out in the right

2319
01:37:53,850 --> 01:37:52,270
context you know so people understand

2320
01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:53,860
what they're looking at and appreciate

2321
01:37:58,830 --> 01:37:55,270
the full value of what the video

2322
01:38:01,470 --> 01:37:58,840
actually shows so yeah because I think

2323
01:38:03,330 --> 01:38:01,480
sometimes when you mention video and you

2324
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:03,340
say that it's it's you know you think

2325
01:38:07,740 --> 01:38:05,410
it's show something you know anomalous

2326
01:38:11,190 --> 01:38:07,750
on it people are expecting something

2327
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:11,200
like Close Encounters before they look

2328
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:13,810
at you so they get somewhat disappointed

2329
01:38:20,910 --> 01:38:15,730
but that's not that's not the case I

2330
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:20,920
mean you know I know you know I studied

2331
01:38:27,650 --> 01:38:23,650
if the phenomenon in in hessdalen on and

2332
01:38:30,930 --> 01:38:27,660
off down the years in central Norway and

2333
01:38:33,570 --> 01:38:30,940
you know the film and photographs

2334
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:33,580
they've got don't really do justice to

2335
01:38:39,810 --> 01:38:36,730
what's been happening there so sometimes

2336
01:38:42,420 --> 01:38:39,820
people are disappointed or with bits of

2337
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:42,430
film but it's because they don't know

2338
01:38:46,860 --> 01:38:44,110
like you say you want to release it in

2339
01:38:48,750 --> 01:38:46,870
the correct manner and and all credit to

2340
01:38:51,150 --> 01:38:48,760
you Gary so we'll we're not forward to

2341
01:38:53,250 --> 01:38:51,160
seeing that really do well that's not

2342
01:38:54,570 --> 01:38:53,260
saying you know you've got a good you

2343
01:38:56,339 --> 01:38:54,580
know there's two videos but all together

2344
01:38:58,439 --> 01:38:56,349
it adds up to a bow

2345
01:39:01,680 --> 01:38:58,449
you know like Nene nearly nine minutes I

2346
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:01,690
mean it's more than enough to show you

2347
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:03,250
what they're looking at I mean I've like

2348
01:39:06,510 --> 01:39:04,630
I said I've interviewed them I've got

2349
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:06,520
transcripts of their interviews I've

2350
01:39:10,830 --> 01:39:08,050
walked the area I've got the photographs

2351
01:39:12,899 --> 01:39:10,840
from the window and the surrounding

2352
01:39:14,490 --> 01:39:12,909
patches having other people as well um

2353
01:39:16,169 --> 01:39:14,500
you know became witnesses of other

2354
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:16,179
things you know which just adds to the

2355
01:39:21,209 --> 01:39:18,460
story I gives it a few more layers and

2356
01:39:23,459 --> 01:39:21,219
different dimensions and everything so

2357
01:39:25,470 --> 01:39:23,469
and he went to visit an old friend of

2358
01:39:27,660 --> 01:39:25,480
mine as well Margaret Frye yeah

2359
01:39:30,270 --> 01:39:27,670
Margaret's a lovely lady yeah she's

2360
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:30,280
she's she's been around a long time as

2361
01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:34,210
Margaret oh yes she's definitely she's

2362
01:39:37,919 --> 01:39:35,710
definitely been one of the leading

2363
01:39:41,459 --> 01:39:37,929
voices but she bless oh she's going on a

2364
01:39:43,050 --> 01:39:41,469
bit now sure she's like yeah I've been

2365
01:39:44,430 --> 01:39:43,060
and stayed with it a couple of times in

2366
01:39:47,010 --> 01:39:44,440
in the past with her

2367
01:39:51,870 --> 01:39:47,020
I believe her husband's passed away Ron

2368
01:39:54,060 --> 01:39:51,880
and a fantastic lady and she got great

2369
01:39:57,450 --> 01:39:54,070
sense of humor I know if I'm not

2370
01:40:00,589 --> 01:39:57,460
mistaken she was born and raised in in

2371
01:40:08,370 --> 01:40:05,700
yeah her father was a scientist whatever

2372
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,380
like a forensic scientist and if I'm not

2373
01:40:12,260 --> 01:40:10,480
mistaken he was even involved in

2374
01:40:16,109 --> 01:40:12,270
something to do with splitting the atom

2375
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:16,119
you know something along that but you

2376
01:40:20,430 --> 01:40:18,159
know Margaret and I went on a couple of

2377
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:20,440
investigations with we heard a rumor

2378
01:40:26,010 --> 01:40:22,480
this is this is a rumor quiet it's just

2379
01:40:28,050 --> 01:40:26,020
going back I don't know late 80s early

2380
01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:28,060
90s I can't remember the exact date but

2381
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:30,550
there was a Polish chap that lived in

2382
01:40:34,830 --> 01:40:32,650
one of the little villages in one of the

2383
01:40:36,780 --> 01:40:34,840
valleys down there and he claimed that

2384
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:36,790
it was a prisoner of war during the

2385
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:39,070
Second World War and that it actually

2386
01:40:48,510 --> 01:40:42,790
worked on you know building a UFO for

2387
01:40:52,050 --> 01:40:48,520
the Germans oh so you know I got got

2388
01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:52,060
Margaret in the car and off we went sure

2389
01:40:56,910 --> 01:40:54,340
enough we found these locations and we

2390
01:40:59,010 --> 01:40:56,920
got the gentleman's name a people have

2391
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,020
heard of him but we could never actually

2392
01:41:04,740 --> 01:41:01,360
find him you know it was it was almost

2393
01:41:07,799 --> 01:41:04,750
like Chinese whispers we set off trying

2394
01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:07,809
to find this chap but I'm confident it

2395
01:41:11,790 --> 01:41:10,270
didn't exist whether he saw what

2396
01:41:13,290 --> 01:41:11,800
claims to have seen or worked on weight

2397
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:13,300
claims is it different matter book

2398
01:41:18,210 --> 01:41:14,710
because we never managed to track him

2399
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:18,220
down because my stepdad was polish so

2400
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:20,320
you know what my father was born in

2401
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:22,930
Merthyr Tydfil my own father he died

2402
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:25,090
when I was a nipper but my stepdad was

2403
01:41:29,730 --> 01:41:27,970
was from Poland but yeah I went on a few

2404
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:29,740
expeditions with with Margaret and

2405
01:41:35,670 --> 01:41:33,850
stayed at her house a couple of times so

2406
01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:35,680
you know what you say though she's

2407
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:38,320
knocking on a bit now but she's got some

2408
01:41:42,660 --> 01:41:40,690
fantastic stories to tell from our own

2409
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:42,670
investigations and our own sighting as

2410
01:41:48,780 --> 01:41:44,650
well back in they I think it was the

2411
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:48,790
early 1950s when when Margaret saw saw

2412
01:41:53,790 --> 01:41:51,970
something but Sir this was the Enfield

2413
01:41:57,780 --> 01:41:53,800
sighting that's that's right she saw

2414
01:42:00,030 --> 01:41:57,790
something you know coming to land but

2415
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:00,040
she's a crack in Old West she really is

2416
01:42:04,580 --> 01:42:02,770
and you know if you do way tour again

2417
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:04,590
gallery please do give her my regards

2418
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:10,930
well so we've got about 15 minutes left

2419
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:13,960
so what I wanted to do was just ask

2420
01:42:17,550 --> 01:42:16,000
about your plans for the future Gary

2421
01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:17,560
what you what you're planning on doing

2422
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:19,750
is anything new coming up and that you

2423
01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:21,520
know come up that you've just you know

2424
01:42:25,410 --> 01:42:23,260
being informed about or discovered are

2425
01:42:27,630 --> 01:42:25,420
you thinking of doing any books so you

2426
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:27,640
doing any conferences are you doing any

2427
01:42:33,570 --> 01:42:30,970
more videos yeah I'm sure I'll be doing

2428
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:33,580
some more videos on the pen Turk and

2429
01:42:40,770 --> 01:42:37,360
don't be lights UFOs and as far as a

2430
01:42:43,500 --> 01:42:40,780
book goes I'm not really one for writing

2431
01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:43,510
books but I have been asked if you know

2432
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:45,310
would somebody like to help me write a

2433
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,890
book you know Cass and I have obviously

2434
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:49,360
discussed here because obviously that

2435
01:42:56,460 --> 01:42:51,490
would be a tremendous read for anyone

2436
01:43:01,140 --> 01:42:56,470
interested in wanted to do a book like

2437
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:01,150
that as far as conferences go we do have

2438
01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:03,450
one maybe planned for October November

2439
01:43:15,660 --> 01:43:06,760
Ben Hamlin did Benham insurance I think

2440
01:43:16,980 --> 01:43:15,670
is his name he's gonna be he's gonna be

2441
01:43:19,650 --> 01:43:16,990
doing a conference I think in November

2442
01:43:22,970 --> 01:43:19,660
he he wants us to come up and do a

2443
01:43:24,180 --> 01:43:22,980
speech on the sorry a conference talk on

2444
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:24,190
the

2445
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:31,210
things yeah I might stop doing more

2446
01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:33,250
local investigations I know that some

2447
01:43:37,530 --> 01:43:35,920
people of giving me some very

2448
01:43:39,780 --> 01:43:37,540
interesting details on things they've

2449
01:43:41,790 --> 01:43:39,790
seen and some of them have actually put

2450
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:41,800
together some nice it's a nice report

2451
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:43,330
for me so maybe there'll be a collection

2452
01:43:48,420 --> 01:43:45,730
of those I might look into because the

2453
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:48,430
one thing I'm learning is that penta

2454
01:43:53,790 --> 01:43:50,530
area or the surrounding area that's a

2455
01:43:59,010 --> 01:43:53,800
hot spot for UFO activity debbie is a

2456
01:44:00,000 --> 01:43:59,020
hot spot for UFO activity but so far

2457
01:44:01,020 --> 01:44:00,010
yeah that's probably what I've got

2458
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:01,030
planning there are more video

2459
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:05,410
documentaries maybe some articles you or

2460
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:08,050
anyone else who would want them you know

2461
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:09,850
just well the only thing I asked about

2462
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:11,650
articles Gary's that they haven't been

2463
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:13,360
used elsewhere that's the only thing I

2464
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:15,850
ask and yeah I'm more than happy to take

2465
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:18,880
articles from you for a okhta limits

2466
01:44:27,110 --> 01:44:20,530
magazine absolutely no problem

2467
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:31,620
yeah so we asked most people this when

2468
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:34,330
when they come on and and you know just

2469
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:35,920
to get your opinion on it really what

2470
01:44:40,260 --> 01:44:38,080
about disclosure do you think that will

2471
01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:40,270
ever happen yeah I think at some point

2472
01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:43,510
it will but I think the system will

2473
01:44:47,970 --> 01:44:45,400
fight tooth and nail to make sure that

2474
01:44:51,540 --> 01:44:47,980
it doesn't I don't think it'll happen

2475
01:44:54,270 --> 01:44:51,550
with you know some some government being

2476
01:44:55,950 --> 01:44:54,280
sympathetic to us say no forum and let's

2477
01:44:58,050 --> 01:44:55,960
release it I think enough times gone by

2478
01:44:59,340 --> 01:44:58,060
I think if any kind of disclosure is

2479
01:45:02,250 --> 01:44:59,350
going to take place it'll have to be

2480
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:02,260
some real incredible incident you know

2481
01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:05,440
where it can't be dynamic that something

2482
01:45:10,290 --> 01:45:08,020
extraterrestrial or UFO or out of this

2483
01:45:13,470 --> 01:45:10,300
world was seen by so many people and

2484
01:45:14,910 --> 01:45:13,480
caused such a such a stir or they'll

2485
01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:14,920
make themselves known to us maybe

2486
01:45:21,330 --> 01:45:17,470
they'll they'll appear over major cities

2487
01:45:22,740 --> 01:45:21,340
in the poly hijacker TV signals or

2488
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:22,750
radios you know like you've seen in many

2489
01:45:25,050 --> 01:45:24,730
films before maybe that way tons of it

2490
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:25,060
yeah

2491
01:45:30,060 --> 01:45:28,570
but I can't see I can't see the

2492
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:30,070
government's doing I'm not not not the

2493
01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:31,600
British or the American governments I

2494
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:34,000
think if disclosure comes from anyone it

2495
01:45:37,709 --> 01:45:36,610
could be the Russian government you know

2496
01:45:39,839 --> 01:45:37,719
they've been very open

2497
01:45:42,930 --> 01:45:39,849
about some of the some of the cases

2498
01:45:45,149 --> 01:45:42,940
they've had I pull that some of the

2499
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:45,159
Chinese delegates you know have been

2500
01:45:50,250 --> 01:45:47,920
very open about it but South America you

2501
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:50,260
know countries like Argentina and Brazil

2502
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:52,570
and even Mexico have been very open

2503
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:54,239
about it they don't seem to have such a

2504
01:46:00,239 --> 01:45:57,210
such a need for secrecy on the issues so

2505
01:46:03,299 --> 01:46:00,249
if this closures gonna come don't expect

2506
01:46:05,370 --> 01:46:03,309
it from any of the any of the usual you

2507
01:46:08,069 --> 01:46:05,380
know like America or Britain or anything

2508
01:46:11,219 --> 01:46:08,079
I think well no well if it was someone

2509
01:46:15,180 --> 01:46:11,229
like Donald Trump I mean would you

2510
01:46:17,279 --> 01:46:15,190
believe him anyway well you know there's

2511
01:46:19,979 --> 01:46:17,289
something interesting I mean Donald

2512
01:46:23,419 --> 01:46:19,989
Trump is just signed like directivity

2513
01:46:25,739 --> 01:46:23,429
for the space force alleged yes yeah and

2514
01:46:28,020 --> 01:46:25,749
you know me and cars are in discussion

2515
01:46:30,180 --> 01:46:28,030
about this and we just wondering what

2516
01:46:35,459 --> 01:46:30,190
he's up to you know I mean is he getting

2517
01:46:37,649 --> 01:46:35,469
ready to reveal something in space

2518
01:46:39,509 --> 01:46:37,659
against something I mean somebody asked

2519
01:46:41,700 --> 01:46:39,519
me this same question that Chris had

2520
01:46:45,149 --> 01:46:41,710
just put to you and I said well let's

2521
01:46:48,089 --> 01:46:45,159
assume disclosures coming but who would

2522
01:46:49,739 --> 01:46:48,099
you believe to deliver it would you

2523
01:46:52,259 --> 01:46:49,749
believe Trump would be the one

2524
01:46:54,330 --> 01:46:52,269
would you believe Donald Trump yeah you

2525
01:46:57,899 --> 01:46:54,340
know half of the Americans certainly

2526
01:47:00,569 --> 01:46:57,909
wouldn't you know them would like yes a

2527
01:47:02,939 --> 01:47:00,579
lot of people's would you believe the

2528
01:47:04,620 --> 01:47:02,949
United Nations a lot of people claim

2529
01:47:07,140 --> 01:47:04,630
that's just a talking shop they never

2530
01:47:09,719 --> 01:47:07,150
actually do anything would you believe

2531
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:09,729
the Pope well if these are Catholic

2532
01:47:14,069 --> 01:47:12,130
which there was a billion Catholics you

2533
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:14,079
know maybe the a billion Catholics would

2534
01:47:19,709 --> 01:47:16,570
believe it but not necessarily everyone

2535
01:47:23,399 --> 01:47:19,719
else so it you know it individually

2536
01:47:25,979 --> 01:47:23,409
maybe not but as Trump II and you know

2537
01:47:28,140 --> 01:47:25,989
as far as people are concerned you know

2538
01:47:29,609 --> 01:47:28,150
Trump being commander-in-chief of the

2539
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:29,619
most powerful army and country in the

2540
01:47:33,779 --> 01:47:32,050
world the Pope being the head of

2541
01:47:36,270 --> 01:47:33,789
probably the biggest religious

2542
01:47:37,469 --> 01:47:36,280
organization in the world and then you

2543
01:47:39,239 --> 01:47:37,479
know maybe sort of like the United

2544
01:47:41,279 --> 01:47:39,249
Nations being the voice if most of the

2545
01:47:43,620 --> 01:47:41,289
nations of the world if they all grouped

2546
01:47:45,839 --> 01:47:43,630
together and did something like you know

2547
01:47:46,469 --> 01:47:45,849
like a disclosure project type of

2548
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:46,479
disclosure

2549
01:47:50,850 --> 01:47:48,610
you know like Stephen gray did in early

2550
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:50,860
2001 just got all these people together

2551
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:51,530
and

2552
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:54,080
you know who knows maybe there it'll be

2553
01:47:56,860 --> 01:47:55,370
enough people who would listen from

2554
01:47:58,500 --> 01:47:56,870
different walks of life because some

2555
01:48:00,940 --> 01:47:58,510
people are very religious in the Pope is

2556
01:48:03,820 --> 01:48:00,950
they another person they listen to some

2557
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:03,830
people see Donald Trump as the man to

2558
01:48:09,310 --> 01:48:06,530
change change things in America trans

2559
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:09,320
deep sea so maybe he wouldn't the United

2560
01:48:13,450 --> 01:48:11,930
Nations would certainly be the way for

2561
01:48:15,580 --> 01:48:13,460
most countries to get together and reach

2562
01:48:17,260 --> 01:48:15,590
all their information so if disclosure

2563
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:17,270
desktop and maybe he'll happen that way

2564
01:48:23,740 --> 01:48:20,410
but individually countries I don't see

2565
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:23,750
but make it much impact unless you know

2566
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:25,520
I think you know you ask you about

2567
01:48:30,490 --> 01:48:28,730
disclosure I can see what you're doing

2568
01:48:34,090 --> 01:48:30,500
it though I can see that Chinese may be

2569
01:48:37,060 --> 01:48:34,100
doing it I certainly would be more more

2570
01:48:38,580 --> 01:48:37,070
more comfortable saying map I reckon

2571
01:48:40,930 --> 01:48:38,590
South American countries you know like

2572
01:48:43,980 --> 01:48:40,940
Argentina or Brazil they seem to have a

2573
01:48:46,030 --> 01:48:43,990
more than policy when it comes to

2574
01:48:47,260 --> 01:48:46,040
discussing these matters they seem to be

2575
01:48:49,690 --> 01:48:47,270
willing to even handle the military

2576
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:49,700
information which is unheard of in yeah

2577
01:48:57,550 --> 01:48:51,440
countries like Britain and America but I

2578
01:48:59,260 --> 01:48:57,560
mean you know I just think you know the

2579
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,270
most trusting thing people would want is

2580
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:01,280
if you know they came down themselves

2581
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:04,370
and were able to hijack our networks and

2582
01:49:08,140 --> 01:49:06,290
radio signals and everything else and

2583
01:49:10,030 --> 01:49:08,150
say hello you know this is us

2584
01:49:13,210 --> 01:49:10,040
maybe it's that maybe it's that way I

2585
01:49:14,980 --> 01:49:13,220
don't know that's just like I don't know

2586
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:14,990
Kerry I don't know if you're aware but

2587
01:49:20,020 --> 01:49:17,930
there was an incident once I think it

2588
01:49:22,510 --> 01:49:20,030
was back in the 1970s and again filled

2589
01:49:25,540 --> 01:49:22,520
with correct me if I'm wrong you know

2590
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:25,550
I'm going to talk it's the the TV

2591
01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:27,410
interruption do you remember yeah that

2592
01:49:33,790 --> 01:49:31,490
was a that was a hoax yeah but it was so

2593
01:49:37,180 --> 01:49:33,800
cleverly doing it was well and so people

2594
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:37,190
show that video clip now you know and

2595
01:49:44,110 --> 01:49:42,560
it's same with alternative three and if

2596
01:49:45,820 --> 01:49:44,120
you wonder if you're aware that but

2597
01:49:49,330 --> 01:49:45,830
there's a book called the alternative

2598
01:49:50,260 --> 01:49:49,340
three basically it was alleged that the

2599
01:49:53,050 --> 01:49:50,270
earth was doomed

2600
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:53,060
you know our atmosphere that had it and

2601
01:49:59,050 --> 01:49:55,970
and you couldn't reverse it the earth

2602
01:50:02,440 --> 01:49:59,060
was gonna fry so they looked at three

2603
01:50:04,990 --> 01:50:02,450
alternatives one was to try and fix it

2604
01:50:07,300 --> 01:50:05,000
we couldn't to was to live for

2605
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:07,310
underwater well it gets so hot that even

2606
01:50:12,910 --> 01:50:10,250
the oceans will believe operate so

2607
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:12,920
alternative 3 must leave the planet

2608
01:50:18,940 --> 01:50:14,930
altogether and set up colonies on Mars

2609
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:18,950
and this started in the 70s there was a

2610
01:50:23,290 --> 01:50:20,690
thing in the 1970s could called the

2611
01:50:25,810 --> 01:50:23,300
brain drain and if you've ever heard

2612
01:50:27,460 --> 01:50:25,820
that phrase called the brain drain a lot

2613
01:50:29,860 --> 01:50:27,470
of scientists from Britain and Europe

2614
01:50:31,860 --> 01:50:29,870
were gonna work in America the brain

2615
01:50:35,470 --> 01:50:31,870
drain because that's where the money was

2616
01:50:37,590 --> 01:50:35,480
if that really did exist and of course

2617
01:50:39,340 --> 01:50:37,600
the UFOs that were seeing were not

2618
01:50:42,130 --> 01:50:39,350
extraterrestrial they were actually

2619
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:42,140
man-made they were there and of course

2620
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:43,970
it's the only do certain fuel that are

2621
01:50:49,090 --> 01:50:45,650
going to be taken to live on Mars the

2622
01:50:54,220 --> 01:50:49,100
rest of us of habit and there was even a

2623
01:50:56,110 --> 01:50:54,230
documentary done about alternative 3 and

2624
01:50:58,120 --> 01:50:56,120
it showed them talking to scientists in

2625
01:51:01,150 --> 01:50:58,130
their lab coats and even a little bit of

2626
01:51:04,660 --> 01:51:01,160
the supposedly no mouse but it was all

2627
01:51:08,410 --> 01:51:04,670
done on April the 1st it was a hoax one

2628
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:08,420
of the so-called doctors on it it was an

2629
01:51:12,130 --> 01:51:10,250
actor that was unknown at the time but

2630
01:51:15,670 --> 01:51:12,140
he later rose to prominence seeing as

2631
01:51:17,620 --> 01:51:15,680
one of the generals in the the the the

2632
01:51:19,810 --> 01:51:17,630
sitcom joke on what you when you Carla

2633
01:51:21,940 --> 01:51:19,820
lol oh it was one of the German generals

2634
01:51:25,480 --> 01:51:21,950
in that there's a fat one yeah that was

2635
01:51:27,850 --> 01:51:25,490
him yeah but were those that typically I

2636
01:51:29,710 --> 01:51:27,860
mean it was produced by Anglia

2637
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:29,720
television which I believe long since

2638
01:51:35,020 --> 01:51:32,930
God but no no we looked into a man and

2639
01:51:37,810 --> 01:51:35,030
we even got letters from the producers

2640
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:37,820
saying how they dreamt it up one

2641
01:51:42,220 --> 01:51:39,890
afternoon you know the because they were

2642
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:42,230
looking for an April Fool's joke but the

2643
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:46,850
thing about disclosure and that check on

2644
01:51:52,030 --> 01:51:49,040
board what Gary was Jonas was saying

2645
01:51:54,580 --> 01:51:52,040
that he technically the rumor that that

2646
01:51:57,940 --> 01:51:54,590
disclosure is coming in whatever form

2647
01:52:00,850 --> 01:51:57,950
Chris tends to go around in circles you

2648
01:52:04,660 --> 01:52:00,860
know yeah back in the 1980s I believe it

2649
01:52:05,890 --> 01:52:04,670
was the operation right - no and they

2650
01:52:07,420 --> 01:52:05,900
were all standing outside the White

2651
01:52:09,970 --> 01:52:07,430
House with the banners and the plaques

2652
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:09,980
and they were convinced you know that it

2653
01:52:14,700 --> 01:52:11,570
was going to happen I remember when we

2654
01:52:18,940 --> 01:52:14,710
first met Timothy good in the in the

2655
01:52:21,790 --> 01:52:18,950
early 1980s before he became a

2656
01:52:24,730 --> 01:52:21,800
the publishing sensation you know Tim

2657
01:52:26,590 --> 01:52:24,740
was convinced that although it wasn't

2658
01:52:28,330 --> 01:52:26,600
called disclosure then but it was

2659
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:28,340
whatever you want to call it was

2660
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:29,030
imminent

2661
01:52:34,270 --> 01:52:32,030
you know and he was I've no doubt about

2662
01:52:36,700 --> 01:52:34,280
it but of course it's never happened or

2663
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:36,710
if it's it has it certainly passed me by

2664
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:41,030
you know and of course if it was an

2665
01:52:47,530 --> 01:52:43,250
announcement as Gehrig's rightly pointed

2666
01:52:50,410 --> 01:52:47,540
out from one individual and a person or

2667
01:52:52,450 --> 01:52:50,420
organization there would be a vast

2668
01:52:55,570 --> 01:52:52,460
amount of people who just simply would

2669
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:55,580
not believe it and of course we tend to

2670
01:52:59,920 --> 01:52:57,290
forget that there are parts of the world

2671
01:53:03,070 --> 01:52:59,930
that we would still call as you know

2672
01:53:06,130 --> 01:53:03,080
perhaps native they don't have access to

2673
01:53:07,660 --> 01:53:06,140
the modern Western technology so they

2674
01:53:14,770 --> 01:53:07,670
wouldn't get to find out about it anyway

2675
01:53:17,290 --> 01:53:14,780
so you know that was 61 this year so am

2676
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:17,300
i around for a few more years just to

2677
01:53:22,150 --> 01:53:19,730
see what develops in this but there's

2678
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:22,160
the other kind of disclosure that some

2679
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:25,040
people favor and then rather than any

2680
01:53:31,570 --> 01:53:27,770
one big announcement from wherever

2681
01:53:33,970 --> 01:53:31,580
they're it's drip fed you know so it's a

2682
01:53:35,950 --> 01:53:33,980
bit here and a bit there and before you

2683
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:35,960
realize it you know disclosure has

2684
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:38,050
happened but just not all at once

2685
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:41,840
one example of that is of course the

2686
01:53:45,730 --> 01:53:44,570
release of the information not this just

2687
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:45,740
before this Christmas to Christmas

2688
01:53:54,340 --> 01:53:50,080
before about the Department of Defense's

2689
01:53:56,980 --> 01:53:54,350
secret UFO study that Louis Elizondo was

2690
01:53:58,960 --> 01:53:56,990
sparked off and that the bits of film

2691
01:54:01,360 --> 01:53:58,970
and things of that that he really said

2692
01:54:04,630 --> 01:54:01,370
the supposedly more of that coming as

2693
01:54:08,170 --> 01:54:04,640
well so you know disclosure perhaps

2694
01:54:09,820 --> 01:54:08,180
doesn't happen all in one go but it is

2695
01:54:11,890 --> 01:54:09,830
JIP felling said that's just another

2696
01:54:14,440 --> 01:54:11,900
theory I'm not saying it's it's correct

2697
01:54:16,180 --> 01:54:14,450
or anything like that so but as Gary

2698
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:16,190
Bradley points out if it was one

2699
01:54:20,830 --> 01:54:19,040
organization but you know I mean I don't

2700
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:20,840
believe a word Trump says you know

2701
01:54:27,070 --> 01:54:24,290
that's just my political stance you know

2702
01:54:31,330 --> 01:54:27,080
but you know I have friends who'll think

2703
01:54:32,620 --> 01:54:31,340
he's marvelous so you know the perhaps

2704
01:54:34,959 --> 01:54:32,630
if he is gonna come as a

2705
01:54:37,959 --> 01:54:34,969
announcement then I would favorite

2706
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:37,969
Garry's way whether it's not just one it

2707
01:54:42,820 --> 01:54:40,250
would be several so you know group

2708
01:54:44,530 --> 01:54:42,830
together in whatever format to release

2709
01:54:48,189 --> 01:54:44,540
it but we'll have to wait and see one

2710
01:54:52,300 --> 01:54:48,199
way absolutely absolutely

2711
01:54:55,169 --> 01:54:52,310
sir gentleman I was going to ask you

2712
01:54:57,459 --> 01:54:55,179
another question Gary and which was

2713
01:55:02,110 --> 01:54:57,469
literally if you could go back in time

2714
01:55:04,689 --> 01:55:02,120
and investigate one of the more famous

2715
01:55:08,740 --> 01:55:04,699
UFO sightings Roswell Rendlesham

2716
01:55:13,060 --> 01:55:08,750
whatever and which one would you choose

2717
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:13,070
and why but unfortunately you've

2718
01:55:17,439 --> 01:55:14,570
literally got two minutes all right

2719
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:17,449
just very quickly I mean you've got

2720
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:19,280
Roswell you've got you know render some

2721
01:55:24,669 --> 01:55:21,650
and you know everything else but me

2722
01:55:26,530 --> 01:55:24,679
personally I mean just as just just as

2723
01:55:31,330 --> 01:55:26,540
if a fascination with it I'd look at the

2724
01:55:33,610 --> 01:55:31,340
Battle of LA I just love the I just love

2725
01:55:36,129 --> 01:55:33,620
to see what it was they were shooting at

2726
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:36,139
all that time and couldn't not get out

2727
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:37,850
of the sky I mean it was video

2728
01:55:42,540 --> 01:55:40,610
photographed witnessed it would have

2729
01:55:45,820 --> 01:55:42,550
made a tremendous case to study

2730
01:55:47,950 --> 01:55:45,830
given the way I know I do my own things

2731
01:55:49,899 --> 01:55:47,960
I want to just spoken everyone

2732
01:55:51,459 --> 01:55:49,909
impossible it would have been nice to

2733
01:55:54,970 --> 01:55:51,469
actually see what they were shooting at

2734
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:54,980
and what it was that caused such a stir

2735
01:55:59,740 --> 01:55:58,010
you know so yeah I would have I would

2736
01:56:03,240 --> 01:55:59,750
probably look at that one just just just

2737
01:56:05,620 --> 01:56:03,250
for my own personal personal interest

2738
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:05,630
well that's fascinating to know that's I

2739
01:56:09,010 --> 01:56:07,250
think that's one case that is often

2740
01:56:09,810 --> 01:56:09,020
forgotten about to explode my favorites

2741
01:56:15,340 --> 01:56:09,820
actually

2742
01:56:18,580 --> 01:56:15,350
yeah yeah right mr. Gary Jones I just

2743
01:56:21,939 --> 01:56:18,590
wanted to thank you on behalf of inside

2744
01:56:26,410 --> 01:56:21,949
out limits and for joining us tonight on

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01:56:28,300 --> 01:56:26,420
on our little radio broadcast it's kind

2746
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:28,310
of sure so thank you very much for your

2747
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:30,650
time thanks for joining us and I'll let

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01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:32,480
you finish yes thank you very much Gary

2749
01:56:37,450 --> 01:56:35,840
fascinated to hear about the I was

2750
01:56:40,209 --> 01:56:37,460
really looking forward to a because I've

2751
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:40,219
read little bits about it I would didn't

2752
01:56:43,959 --> 01:56:41,840
have all the information by any stretch

2753
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:43,969
of the imagination and I know there's a

2754
01:56:46,570 --> 01:56:45,440
lot more to it than what you've covered

2755
01:56:49,210 --> 01:56:46,580
this evening but us

2756
01:56:51,490 --> 01:56:49,220
do thing it is fascinating and all I

2757
01:56:53,650 --> 01:56:51,500
will say is if you and cows are ever

2758
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:53,660
looking for a publisher well that's what

2759
01:56:59,320 --> 01:56:55,610
I do for a living now so please bear me

2760
01:57:00,820 --> 01:56:59,330
in mind I wish I wish all Oh every

2761
01:57:04,150 --> 01:57:00,830
success with you continued

2762
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:04,160
investigations and please keep us

2763
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:06,610
informed hello

2764
01:57:11,170 --> 01:57:09,050
absolutely and no doubt at some point in

2765
01:57:13,660 --> 01:57:11,180
the future wouldn't even get cows on

2766
01:57:15,250 --> 01:57:13,670
point which would just blow with what

2767
01:57:17,380 --> 01:57:15,260
juice we will get you back at some point

2768
01:57:19,090 --> 01:57:17,390
Gary and you can keep us informed of

2769
01:57:20,710 --> 01:57:19,100
what's going on thanks again

2770
01:57:23,170 --> 01:57:20,720
thanks again listeners for joining us

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01:57:53,980 --> 01:57:23,180
and we'll see you in about two weeks

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